Hemp, Ayahuasca, DMT, Flotation Tanks & More With Aubrey Marcus

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Interview with CEO of Onnit, Aubrey Marcus.
What you will discover in this interview:

– When hemp is mixed with this one ingredient it becomes an aphrodisiac
– Why ayahuasca is the psychedelic that will change your life
– Why healthy gut bacteria is so important
– How Aubrey quiets his mind in flotation tanks and gets his best ideas
– Aubrey’s suggestions for an optimal mind and body


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One little note before we get into the interview with Aubrey Marcus. We do talk about hemp, but a lot of the subject matter in the podcast in this particular show is somewhat outside the scope of cannabis. We talk about DMT, Ayahuasca, the Gut Biome and a whole sleuth of interesting things, but I just wanted to let you know that this is somewhat of a personal enrichment podcast. So I really hope you enjoy it, and if you hear a little trickling noise in the background that’s Aubrey’s bubbling brook water fountain. As you’ll see Aubrey’s a fascinating guy so I really hope you enjoy the show.

I’m really excited about our next guest, Aubrey Marcus. Aubrey is the founder and CEO of Onnit which provides nutritional and health supplements like Hemp Force, which we’re going to discuss today. Aubrey also has his own podcast and website called Warrior Poet. Aubrey is a very hard guy to introduce because he’s doing so many cool things, but if I had to put a bumper sticker on it, I would say Aubrey is somebody that is focused on optimization. Optimization of consciousness, optimization of health and optimization of lifestyle. Welcome to CannaInsider Aubrey.

Aubrey: Thank you. Pleasure to be on here Matt.

Matt: Aubrey I want to dive into everything you’re doing with Onnit and elsewhere, but can you give a little background on yourself and how you came to start Onnit?

Aubrey: Yeah you know OnnIt’s really been the culmination of a lifelong passion to just be as good as I could possibly be in whatever endeavors I had. You know when I was growing up my mother was a nutraceutical doctor that worked with a lot of NBA basketball teams, all of Pat Riley’s teams and worked with a lot of other athletes and top performers. And so you know on game day I would have a stack of vitamins that would be on a paper towel for me to take. And on test day I would have a different stack that looked differently, and I was a young man and I didn’t really, you know, pay attention to what I was doing, but I got used to the paradigm of not only the supplements I was taking, but the nutrition that I was ingesting, the food that I was ingesting, how that would affect performance.

And then going on from there all the different other practices like meditation, different psychedelic experiences, how those could optimize my mental and spiritual state so that everything could work together and allow me to achieve my highest goals and my highest potential.

Matthew: Now you talk a little bit about, you know, plant is medicine and Hemp Force is one of your flagship products. You have some other things in there, besides hemp. I’m interested in your thoughts about, you know, a lot of people are taking protein supplements. But how is hemp, how is that bio-available to us versus maybe an animal source protein. And also how does it interact with Maca and some of the other things you have at Hemp Force?

Aubrey: Sure yeah, so the Hemp Force chocolate flavors is really what you’re talking about there. We have two flavors. One is vanilla and one is chocolate, each with different super foods and other nutrient profiles in there. But the Chocolate Maca, as we call it, I guess first of all talk about the hemp. Hemp has a lot of advantages over the rest of at least the vegetarian proteins. For one it has a complete amino acid profile, something that like brown rice protein or pea protein can’t claim to have. And second it has also Omega 3 fatty acids in there which are really under found in the typical American diet. We get a lot of Omega 6 fatty acids, but very few Omega 3 fatty acids. And that’s super important for a variety of bodily systems. So that’s found in hemp, big advantage there.

And then another advantage is that hemp is actually comprised of two compounds that are readily found already in human muscle, edestin and albumin. And so when the body is digesting this it’s really easy to translate those two compounds directly into a muscular structure. So really it’s one of the most bio-available proteins on the market period. Now if you’re comparing it to, you know, a good grass fed rib eye, you know, a lot of that protein is going to be really bio-available as well, but your body is going to have to work a lot harder to break it down. You know, the hemp protein is going to cause less inflammation in the gut, which means less gas, which means less fatigue, which you know the inflammation cascade has a host of issues associated with it. So it’s really perhaps, you know, one of the best protein sources available to humans.

Matthew: Now at first you also integrate Maca powder into Hemp Force, and I first became aware of Maca powder from David Wolfe’s book Super Foods and reading about, you know, it has qualities that can help you at high altitudes. Some say it’s an aphrodisiac. Can you talk a little bit about what Maca is and how there is potential synergy between the hemp and Maca and why you included it?

Aubrey: Yeah, it’s interesting. You know, nature has an intelligence to it and Maca is found in the high Andes of Peru and Bolivia growing naturally. So it makes sense that it would help with high altitude conditions and issues. But really there’s a lot of reasons to fall in love with Maca. It’s got vitamins, minerals, amino acids, trace minerals like iodine, iron, copper, manganese, zinc, just to name a few of those. But it also is pretty well known for improving libido. And you know the exact mechanism of action is not always easy to pin down in those, but there’s been some good studies to show that Maca is beneficial in optimizing kind of hormone levels. And that could be because it’s feeding the different glands and the different source engines basically of our hormones with enough of the micronutrients and minerals that they need to perform optimally or it could be some other compound than the Maca. But across the board it’s one of the best super foods we can have. And you know it pairs really, really well with the cocoa which has a variety of other micro nutrients in there as well. Flavanols being one of them, neurotransmitter precursors. It’s really a super food in its own rite.

Matthew: Now you mentioned a little bit about Omega 3 and there’s Omega 6 and 9 as well. I think there’s a lot of noise out there about Omega oils and their importance, but not a lot of a drill down as far as how we should be thinking and framing our thought about Omega 3, 6 and 9 and how they relate to each other and how much we need. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Aubrey: Yeah Omega 6 fats are pretty readily available. The Omega 3’s and to some extent the 9’s but really the Omega 3’s are what most people are deficient in because it’s very difficult to get those. Certain seeds like flax has Omega 3, obviously hemp seeds have Omega 3. And then the only other real sources that you can get are a fish oil or a krill oil. So unless you’re really actively seeking out Omega 3’s, and there’s a little bit, there’s trace amounts in a few other things, but unless you’re actively seeking out Omega 3’s you’re not going to have enough. And that’s a really crucial brain nutrient and really valuable for anti-inflammation. And really has, you know, the more you talk to doctors, you’re realizing how important it is to control the inflammation response from these, what’s called, pro-inflammatory cytokines that are produced when you have inflammation. They affect everything from your brain to your joints, to long term immune related issues.

So getting enough Omega 3 in your diet is really something that you should focus on. You’re going to probably naturally get a decent amount of Omega 6’s just from a variety of the fats that are in a common diet, but really kind of paying attention to make sure that you’re targeting 3’s specifically is important.

Matthew: Now Shroom Tech, I want to learn a little bit more about that. I just recently became aware of kind of the spectrum of mushrooms out there. Like most people I just had a limited knowledge, but there’s reishi, and there’s all these different kinds of mushrooms that do different things. Can you tell us a little bit about, you know, which mushrooms you think are important and how and why you put them into Shroom Tech?

Aubrey: Well the Shroom Tech sport which is our preworkout formula, we really focused on the cordyceps sinensis mushroom, and that was based on the research that has shown its ability to help people improve oxygen utilization. Again this is a high altitude mushroom naturally found in the mountains of China and Tibet. And really adaptations that it’s made, perhaps because of the altitude and the low oxygen levels, whatever may have come across, what they found is that people who have been ingesting cordyceps sinensis utilize oxygen better. That means so every breath they take, they’re able to bring in more oxygen to the body. And so when you’re working out all of that huffing and puffing is really designed to supply your muscles with oxygen. So a supplement that can help you utilize oxygen better is going to help, you know, the fatigue cascade and feed your muscles with more oxygen.

There’s also a variety of other benefits. I believe that cordyceps sinensis has raw adenosine which is important for the ATP cycle which is the cellular energy cycle that, you know, gives us true energy. Not like, you know, kind of stimulant based energy. And, you know, a variety of benefits for the immune system too including beta glucans which directly help stimulate the immune system in the body. So really all around just a powerhouse of nutrients and functions in the cordyceps sinensis. And there’s a couple of other great ones as well that we put in the Shroom Tech Immune like the reishi mushroom line. We actually have a big chaga, we have a big blend of those in there from a mycologist in Nevada named Dr. John Holliday. He put together a great blend, and that’s really targeted at the immune system, again focusing on these compounds called beta glucans which the body… they’re called xenobiotics. The body recognizes them as something foreign. So it helps stimulate an immune response even though the compounds are benign. And then those immune cells can help be repurposed for other jobs.

Matthew: So do you sometimes, you know, look to mushrooms when you feel maybe you are getting run down or sick or something like that?

Aubrey: I look to mushrooms a lot, but maybe not the mushrooms you’re talking about.

Matthew: Okay.

Aubrey: But yeah, no absolutely. I think the, you know, with the Shroom Tech Immune, you know, you’re not going to be able to take any pill and it’s going to be some kind of miracle cure for your cold or your flu. But anything that can directly help out your body. Your body is the one doing the heavy lifting, but anything that can help your body do it more efficiently and you know, do its job better is going to be beneficial. Especially because a lot of us have really compromised gut flora, and the gut is where a lot of these immune cells are produced. So we’re generally pretty chronically deficient in immune function based upon our gut flora. So taking something that can directly stimulate that is highly beneficial.

Matthew: Gosh that seems to be such a new and broad topic with the gut flora. I mean it seems, it’s almost hard to understand there’s so much going on down there. I heard that there’s 90% of our serotonin’s manufactured in the gut, and people are starting to understand the gut biome. It just seems like a whole new world that’s being opened up. It’s incredible.

Aubrey: Yeah it really is. I think that’s going to be one of the main frontiers of medicine and people are just realizing that right now. So much is involved in the gut, and I think figuring out the proper ways to get that right is going to be the key. I mean so many links, even to personality. You know there’s been studies on rats where they switched, you know, they had some really extroverted rats, really frisky and bold and brave rats and really timid rats and they kept those separate. And then they, I think through a fecal transplant, they switched the gut biomes of both of those rats and then the extroverted rats became introverted, and the introverted rats became extroverted just by switching their gut biome, their flora in their gut. And so so much of what makes us up is involved from both health and now they’re, you know, evidence potentially linking even to personality based upon our gut flora. So really honing that in, I think, is going to be a key frontier in medicine.

Matthew: I definitely agree with that. Here at home we make a rejuvelac which is fermented cabbage and distilled water and it helps replenish the lactobacteria. And I can tell a difference after a few days of having that, but I mean my understanding is there’s kind of three broad categories that make up most of gut bacteria, the lactobacteria, the acidophilua, and bifido. And getting those three right, it helps in a lot of ways, and I’m just beginning to understand it, but fascinated by it.

Aubrey: Yeah I mean those are three of the main categories. I found that one particular strain that when I take is probably the most beneficial thing that I can do. There’s a strain called Saccharomyces boulardii, and that one strain alone does a lot more than taking, for me, than taking a real full on, multi-strain probiotic a lot. I think both are good in synergy and I love eating those kind of things, kimchi, goat yogurt or grass fed yogurt if you can tolerate it. All of those things are going to be, you know, incredibly helpful.

And then I think there’s also some really interesting research coming out about you know, fecal transplants. You know, really approved right now only to treat one the most difficult stomach infections called C DIFF, that’s the only way you can get it, but it treats it with like a 95% success rate, whereas usually you would have course of antibiotics is just massive destruction to your entire biome or they actually strain all the actual poop out of there so it’s not as gross as people think. But, you know, just replacing somebody else’s gut, a healthy gut biome with yours, you know, can get rid of that infection. And I would be interested to track long-term what other kind of health changes came from it.

Matthew: It almost sounds like a Saturday Night Live satire commercial like fecal transplants, but you know I keep on reading about how it’s just transformational for people that just can’t get things worked out in their gut any other way. It’s just life changing.

Aubrey: Yeah, no, no doubt. And there’s actually a company in Canada that’s making them in pill form so they isolate all the bacteria, and then they coat it in enteric capsules and you can actually take it in pill form. So you don’t need to directly swap. I think that’s the gross part. And you see these things, because it’s illegal there’s like people doing it themselves. So you see these do-it-yourself fecal transplant websites which are pretty hilarious and pretty gross. To see a blender full of poo is shocking to say the least.

Matthew: I think listeners would be really interested in your daily habits and routines.

Aubrey: Yeah it’s not anything involving blenders full of poo.

Matthew: I mean you have so much knowledge in your head about, you know, optimization and diet and lifestyle. I can hear like a water trickle, waterfall in the background. I know you do floatation links.

Aubrey: I probably should have shut that off.

Matthew: I’m kind of Zenned out by it so you can leave it on. It doesn’t bother me. But you do floatation tanks, you have so many different things that you’re doing. You’re kind of on the frontier of things that most people will start to hear about in 3 to 4 or 5 years. Can you just tell us a little bit about your routines, what you do to optimize your health, your lifestyle, your diet, all those things?

Aubrey: Yeah, you know, there’s some things that are pretty consistent and that’s, you know, just staying away from putting chemicals in my body like unnatural compounds. Like you’re not going to see me drinking a Diet Coke or some shit like that, you know, or some diet gum or any of that kind of crap. I mean those are like nevers in my diet. And then I really try to eat as many nutrients as possible. Now does that mean that I won’t go out and get a double cheese burger, no. But if I do, that means my next meal is going to be steamed kale salad or something that’s really nutrient dense to kind of counteract that, and I’m going to be sure to take some digestive enzymes with it as well.

I’m not like particularly strict with anything, but I try and just maintain balance by keeping a pretty wide spectrum of possibilities. And then as far as getting my head right, yeah a variety of methods from yoga. Onnit just acquired Black Swan Yoga which is a great yoga brand here in Austin, something that I’ve been a part of for many years. Floatation tanks, another excellent way to quiet the mind and find that still space. It’s really difficult to have the great ideas when your mind is running on these short loop programs where you’re constantly just problem solving and figuring out your daily task and being stressed. Really the best ideas come when you can drop into that stillness and floatation is a great way to do that. Meditation is a regular practice, and then when I really need a reset and go to the deep, deepest cycle as possible that’s when I go to South America and do something like Ayahuasca or Wachuma.

Matthew: Yeah that’s a great segway too. And the first time I heard you was on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, and I felt like I was pretty familiar with psychedelics until you came on and started talking about Ayahuasca and some of your experiences in Central and South America, and I was just blown away. I think there will be some people that have heard of Ayahuasca, but they really don’t know what it is and what it’s capable of doing. I would love it if you could just give a little into in what that is and what it’s done for you personally.

Aubrey: Yeah they call Ayahuasca down in South America the “Master Medicine”. And it’s never referred to as a drug. It’s always referred to as medicine, and it’s a combination of at least two plants. One is the caapi vine or the Ayahuasca vine, which is what’s called monoamine oxidase inhibitor, which is something that breaks or prevents the breakdown of certain compounds such as DMT. And the DMT comes from a plant called Chacruna. There’s other plants that they use, a few other different plants like that, but primarily Chacruna, which contains a high concentration of DMT relatively. And they boil those two together and you get a orally active form of DMT because of the MAOI that comes from the vine.

And really the character of the experience is deeply cleansing for one, both physically and mentally and spiritually. I mean you feel like everything that you’ve been holding on to literally flushes out of your body either through purging through vomit or, you know, going out the other direction. I feel like this is several time we’ve mentioned shit in the same podcast. And then the DMT creates, you know, what really feels like an opening to a source of knowledge that’s beyond ourselves and a lot of time that involves interaction with other beings, and sometimes it just involves really incredible insight into your own life put together in this beautiful, fantasmic kaleidoscope of colors and lights and sensation that you’ve never really experienced before.

Matthew: Now I really feel like the listeners who are cannabis enthusiasts will be open to this probably much more than the typical person you meet on the street. I mean you were talking about the purging of the body, and that’s kind in a way to prepare you for what you’re going to go through. Would you say that’s accurate?

Aubrey: I think a lot of times people put a false distinction between mind and body. And the Shamans down there and the curanderos who are like the plant doctors down there, they don’t make that distinction. You know the body and the mind are the same. If there’s a traumatic thought, it has a presence in the body. If there’s a trauma to the body, it has an associated thought or an associated energy in your mind. And so Ayahuasca is called the “Master Medicine” because it works on both levels. If there’s some psychological trauma, it’s going to take care of that as well as the physical trauma that’s associated with that. Whatever you’re kind of holding onto in your body.

And I think that’s one of the main lessons from, you know, going down there is that kind of as above, so below. You know, what’s in your mind is in your body, what’s in your body is in your mind which is one of the reasons why other cleanses aren’t as affective and life changing as Ayahuasca perhaps because some things can help, you know, good psychotherapy that can help treat some of the conditions in your mind and help you work through those. But if it hasn’t gotten rid of the root issues that are in the body, those thoughts will be easier to come back. And vice versa, a good physical cleanse like a juice cleans or a fast can help remove some of the physical residue in the body, but if you haven’t changed your mental patterns, those can come back. And sometimes it’s enough to just clear out one or the other. And I’m not saying those aren’t great practices, but the reason why Ayahuasca is called the “Master Medicine” is because it hits you on both levels simultaneously, and it’s really unlike anything else out there.

Matthew: God, that sounds incredible. Do you think there’ll start to be kind of curated experiences where North Americans looking for kind of an experience where they could have a North American guide take them to some place where it’s been vetted out so they can, you know, don’t have to research it too much on their own and just know hey this is a safe Shaman to visit in Peru.

Aubrey: No doubt, that’s already happening. I mean I’m doing that currently. And that’s another thing. It a real caveat. You know, not all Ayahuasca centers, not all Ayahuasca brew is really safe and up to standard. You know, it’s pretty much the Wild West out there. You know, there’s some great opportunities and then there’s some that are downright dangerous. So it’s really important to do your research. I can personally vouch for a couple of places and I have those on my website www.aubreymarcus.com, if you go to plant medicine and FAQ, you can see some of those. But there’s a place called www.biopark.org, that’s the website, then there’s also Temple of the Way of Light. Both of those are outstanding.

Temple of the Way of Light, I just sponsored it. A gigantic study from an organization called ICEERS. So it’s the International Center for Ethnobotanical Research, and they’re going to do a major flagship, three year study at the Temple of the Way. Really, really excellent medicine being offered there. And I would highly recommend that. And then my original Shaman is also there Maestro Orlando Chujandama. Those are three different centers that I can really vouch for and recommend. And there’s some other good ones out there I’m sure. I’ve heard some good things about a Center called Blue Morpho and some other good things. But you really got to know what you’re doing and certainly don’t just show up in Peru and start asking people if they have Ayahuasca because you’ll get something, but it might not be something good.

Matthew: Now is this equatorial part of South America then where there’s, you know, did you bring like a mosquito net. I mean is there any other kind of concerns that you kind of make sure you want to address before going down there?

Aubrey: Depending on where you’re at, usually where you sleep will have a mosquito net, but you definitely want to bring mosquito spray. You’re going to get bit. You know, it’s not like a highly dangerous area where malaria and dengue and all of these things are just rampant, but it’s possible. You know, so you want to try and minimize your bites and things like that, but you’re going to the rain forest. You’re paying homage to the home where the mother earth is the strongest. You know, whatever that presence is, you know, they call it Pachamama, but whatever you want to say, that kind of presence of life teaming on life is real energy of creation is never stronger than in the rain forest. I mean per cubic foot there’s more things alive there than anywhere in the world.

And so that’s part of the medicine, you know, paying homage to that energy. Too often we as humans try to escape from that and get away from it, put ourselves in a skyscraper 40 feet above the Earth where nothing is flying around us. There’s no insects, there’s no life and that’s not necessarily what we’ve been used to being around growing up as an organism. In our past history we slept close to the ground and we were part of the Earth, and now we’re very isolated from that. So part of the medicine is going down to those areas, you know, paying homage to that energy and that place and that can be really valuable and a great teacher in itself.

Matthew: Now did you see that documentary on DMT, The Spirit Molecule?

Aubrey: Yeah, I’ve actually been working with the producer of that, Mitch Schultz, and we’ve put out one documentary already on Wachuma, and we’re coming out with another one on Ayahuasca in about a month or so.

Matthew: I thought that was an absolutely fascinating documentary. So I will be interested to see what you’re working on here, but interested in your opinion as far as we have this gland in the center of our brain that many people have heard of called the pineal gland. I think it is about dead center of the brain. And this contains DMT, so I’ve read, and in the documentary they talk about the possibility of the, you know, when you go through extreme stress or you’re dying or you have an Ayahuasca experience that this becomes very active and this may serve as kind of a gateway for us to other dimensions as you were kind of alluding to earlier. Is that accurate? I mean how would you describe it?

Aubrey: I mean it’s certainly very possible. You know, it’s difficult for me to say things that I haven’t directly experienced or that the research hasn’t shown, you know, with 100% certainty, but it makes a lot of sense to me that there would be a physical manifestation of this and kind of mechanism for this spiritual experience because if you’ve been there, you know, and experienced these things, you know it’s something different and it normally makes sense that it would have a root in the body, a root cause. And you know, yeah, it’s just that DMT it’s a compound that’s found in every living thing. Every living thing has a certain amount of Dimethyltryptamine. So it seems like an essential component to life. And we have receptors in the brain that are ready to receive these floods of this compound. So it’s not an accident that people discovered ways to provide the body with DMT to get these experiences. And I think there’s certainly ways that in times that it happens as well. And I think, you know, near death and on these other experiences certainly seem very akin to the DMT experience.

Matthew: And one last thing I wanted to ask you about was the floatation tanks, and you talked a little bit about that, but can you kind of describe what it’s like when you get into a floatation tank? Is it similar to a sensory deprivation tank and how much water there is in there and kind of how long you stay in there and what you experience and then what you experience when you ‘re done?

Aubrey: Well floatation tank is a sensory deprivation. That’s what a sensory deprivation tank is, and what that means is you’re floating in water that’s the same temperature as the outside of your skin. So you don’t really feel anything, and you’re in complete blackness. You’re in complete darkness, so you can’t see anything. Hopefully it’s perfectly quiet so you can’t hear anything, and you’re floating in Epsom salt in a room which has no smell. So you don’t smell anything. So all of a sudden all of your senses shut off, and the part of your brain that’s worried about processing all of this incensory input is just like, ah, okay well nothing to do here. And so that part kind of quiets down and whatever is left, which is that kind of higher theta state processing is allowed to really flourish in that state. So it’s really deeply meditative, relaxing and restorative in many ways by just allowing your hyperactive brain that’s dealing with all these stimuli 100% of the times you’re awake, just allow that to quiet down, you know, almost go to sleep you know in some regards and allow that other part of your brain, that higher consciousness, to rise to the surface.

And it’s really kind of like, you know, a lot of people say oh yeah I meditate but they just kind of sit around and feel around and try and not say anything for a little while, but they don’t really know what that state feels like. You know, and until you’ve done something like a psychedelic experience or a floatation tank, you may not even know what you’re actually going for with meditation until you really drop in and can feel what that feels like. Even some of the great monks and the great people like the Dalai Lama and other people, it takes them hours of meditation to get to these states that I think you can reliably get to in a float tank in minutes. So it’s really like, it’s a great facilitator of that kind of meditative process and I highly, highly, highly recommend it. I love meditation too, but I think it’s really important to know what you’re shooting for. And it’s okay if you don’t always get there every time you meditate. There’s still some benefit, but at least if you know what the final goal is, I think it’s going to be a lot more effective to implement in your life.

Matthew: Aubrey I could talk to you all day, but we’re going to close the show now. But as we do, can you tell listeners how they can find Onnit, where they can go to your website and how they can find you on Twitter and follow your work?

Aubrey: Sure yeah. Onnit’s easy. It’s www.onnit.com and yeah you can just click on the Hemp Force, really delicious, great protein. And you know, we’ve got a lot of other great products there, a lot of good clinical research and you know, a lot of integrity behind it. And if you want to keep up with me, everything is at www.aubreymarcus.com, Twitter is Aubrey Marcus. Facebook is Aubrey Marcus. Instagram is Aubrey Marcus. So you put in my name, and you’ll find me. It’s pretty easy.

Matthew: Well Aubrey thanks for being on CannaInsider today. We really appreciate it.

Aubrey: Absolutely Matt.

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