The Cannabis Extraction and Concentrates Wizard – Bryce Berryessa

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In this episode Matthew Kind welcomes Bryce Berryessa to CannaInsider. Bryce is an extraction wizard and he opens up the kimono and shares the most intimate and granular details about how to create winning edibles and concentrates.

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Key Takeaways:
[2:20] – Bryce talks about Freedom Enterprises and what they do
[2:45] – Bryce’s brands, Hashman Infused & Waxman Concentrates
[5:05] – Bryce discusses pesticide testing
[7:38] – Is the drought in California affecting cannabis cultivators
[8:52] – Bryce compares extraction technologies
[11:58] – Bryce explains paraffins
[12:51] – Bryce’s opinion on vaporizers
[14:27] – Bryce discusses fractionation
[16:51] – Bryce talks about terpenes and terpenoids
[21:49] – Positives for using butane or propane in extraction
[25:29] – The difference between extracting from leaves and buds
[27:55] – California—Flower or Concentrates
[29:38] – Bryce talks about his chocolate bar made from pop rocks
[34:20] – Bryce’s contact details


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Matthew: We continue to witness consumer preferences pivot from cannabis flower to infused products, concentrates and edibles. This change in cannabis consumer behavior is happening rapidly and it requires that we learn a whole new vocabulary of terms and ideas. To help us sort through all this going on in the extraction and concentrate market is Bryce Berryessa. Welcome to CannaInsider Bryce.

Bryce: Thanks for having me.

Matthew: Bryce to give us a sense of geography can you tell us where you are in the world today?

Bryce: Yeah we’re located out of Santa Cruz, California. So about 30 minutes south of San Jose and about a little bit over an hour south of Oakland and San Francisco City.

Matthew: Very nice there with the boardwalk. Little Utopian city there. Very nice.

Bryce: Yes, it’s a beautiful place to be and you know it’s been such a integral part of the cannabis movement. The first cooperative and collective ever founded and organized is called WAMM, The Women’s/Men’s Alliance for Medical Marijuana and they sprouted up so to speak in Santa Cruz and are still thriving and serving patients here today.

Matthew: Nice. Now what is the name of your company and what do you do inside of the cannabis world Bryce?

Bryce: Yeah so our company is called Freedom Enterprises and we essentially build and create brands in the medical cannabis marketplace and products with those brands. So our two flagship brands are Hashman Infused and Waxman Concentrates.

Matthew: Okay. Can you tell us more about Hashman Infused and Waxman Concentrates?
Bryce: So our flagship brands, Hashman Infused and Waxman Concentrates kind of started back in 2012 with the intention of creating lab tested, extremely safe and high quality products for the medical patient in California. So I come from a dispensary operator background and what we noticed is that there was a lot of patients that were producing products with good intentions to provide to dispensaries throughout the state, but because there’s no regulation or regulatory framework in California. Many of them were doing things in their home kitchens without any basic understanding of food safety or proper food storage. A lot of the concentrate producers were producing concentrates without a good understanding of appropriate inputs and how to use safe ETL listed equipment.

And so our vision was to look at the models in other states such as California or such as Colorado, Nevada, Washington and to kind of self-regulate and also look to other industries to see what are the safety requirements for food processing and manufacturing for example. So that intention kind of helped grow our two brands into what they are today and you know now we’re really proud to be one of the largest edibles and concentrate companies in California. We’re third party certified through SC Labs. We test all of our pesticides or all of our trim for pesticides and all of our oils for residual solvents just to ensure that safety is our number one priority.

So we do, under the Hashman Infused line, chocolate bars, capsules, tinctures. We have a coffee. We’re about ready to release a sublingual breath spray that’s really neat. The effects of that can be felt in about 15 to 20 minutes. And then for our Waxman line we do a variety of CO2 oils, waxes and are getting ready to release vaporizer cartridge and pen in the next couple of months.

Matthew: Is there any easy way to see if flower or leaves have pesticides on them because I know there’s a lot of people out there that want to know hey am I having some suboptimal experiences with cannabis because of pesticides or some sort of residue that’s on the flower or plant? What are your thoughts around that?

Bryce: Yeah I mean it’s a very loaded question, even in states that have regulation because it’s federally illegal that EPA has been hesitant to come out with pesticide guidelines for cannabis use. So there’s a lot of hot conversation and topics around it. For example there’s a product that people use for mildew and miticide called Eagle 20, and supposedly it’s pretty safe and it’s systemic, but if you use it in the proper application you know with food then you can use on a food crop, but when you enter it into cannabis, which you’re then going to inhale which is then absorbed through the lungs it creates a whole different set of questions and potential health hazards and effects.

And so what we’ve found the best way is to work with the patient or work with the farmers so they’ve adopted best practices. We know where we’re getting our medicine from. We go and visit the farms and on top of that even though we’re still working with the farmers, we test. Testing for pesticides is also not a great science yet because to do a full plethora of pesticides it’s extremely expensive. It’s going to take weeks to calibrate your machine and cost thousands of dollars. And so most places in California that do allow for pesticide testing are only testing for the 40 most common pesticides. And as most consumers are aware, there’s thousands of different pesticides now.

So I think the key is to just really work with or really purchase medicine from a reputable dispensary that works with their farmers or purchase medicine from companies that really are aware of how they are sourcing their material because I think that especially in California if patients were aware how much pesticides were used in producing cannabis and how prolific it is, they would think twice sometimes before wanting to consume. So it’s definitely that deserves a lot more conversation, and it will be nice as we get further down the road with federal regulation that they actually provide us with some guidelines from a cultivation standpoint as to what pesticides are safe and what to use.

And the last thing on that topic, the California State Water Board did just release recommendations for integrated pest management which have some good advice and some recommendations on what to use. And so that’s the first governmental agency in the state that actually has decided to tackle cannabis. And so they’ve did it with water use and with pesticides a few months ago.

Matthew: What about the drought issues in California? Is that affecting the cannabis cultivators at all?

Bryce: Yeah I think so. You know I think it’s affecting anybody that’s doing agriculture. So what we’ve noticed in the state is that it’s dry. So there’s reservoirs that were full three years ago that are virtually empty now. And there’s not regulation per se for ground use of well water and ground water. And so a lot of Big Ag is sucking up prolific amounts of water and we’re seeing the aquifers that are subterranean go empty and it’s so bad that the land is actually shifting. So parts of California are sinking because we’re removing so much of the ground water.

You know I think that the most important thing is that to try to encourage people to cultivate sustainably and to maximize their water usage to ensure they’re using as little as possible. One way that a lot of farmers that are pretty savvy out here do is they recycle their water from their air conditioner and their dehumidification systems if they’re growing in a greenhouse or indoors. And then they actually reuse that water to irrigate rather than just letting it go down the drain.

Matthew: Good idea. Now let’s back up a little bit to extraction technologies. Can you walk us through the different types of extraction technologies that exist out there?

Bryce: Yeah there’s many, many, many. So you know the most standard and longest known method for extracting cannabis is with a dry sieve. So when you hear people talk about Moroccan Hash or Kief you essentially use a fine screen and pound buds or trim on that screen and then the resin glands fall through it and you end up with a dried concentrated cannabis. You know after that Bubble Hash got extremely popular where you essentially are submerging cannabis material in extremely cold water and getting the trichome heads to break off and then running it through a screening process much the same way you do with a dry sieve to remove it.

And you know as technologies developed and it’s become more common and accepted they’ve taken technologies from other industries, like the pharmaceutical and food industries to do hydrocarbon extractions and CO2 extractions. And those are probably the most popular extracted forms of cannabis right now is hydrocarbon such as butane or propane or CO2 oils. And generally what they’ll do is they take the hydrocarbon and a machine that is stuffed with your cannabis trim or your cannabis flowers and they utilize it as a solvent under low pressure to essentially push it through screens and filters and collect all of the oils, the waxes and the paraffin’s, separate it from the plant material and then you’ll take that and go through a post-processing process that allows all of those hydrocarbons to purge out of it. Another thing that people like to do, just take it one step further and take that plant matter, the waxes, the oils, the paraffins and winterize it. Meaning they essentially put it with ethanol or another solvent and drop it to subzero temperatures and then that will separate out all of the waxes and the paraffins. So the end product is a really pure, highly refined oil.

With CO2 you don’t necessarily need to go through some of the post processing because CO2 is not a flammable material. CO2 systems are ran at much much higher pressure and are generally much more expensive to purchase than hydrocarbon equipment. And so you know CO2 is generally regarded as safer especially in non-regulated environments like California. So our company we only extract with CO2, and we do a super fluid, critical CO2 extraction which is high pressures over a long course of time and we’re able to fractionate the material so it actually collects into three different vessels. So we have oils in one, our waxes and our paraffins going to another and then terpenes and water go into the third.

Matthew: Wow, you just dropped a knowledge bomb on us so let’s just back up a little bit.

Bryce: Absolutely.

Matthew: So fractionating is, you’re saying you’re separating the waxes and the paraffins. People understand what waxes are, but what’s a paraffin exactly?

Bryce: Paraffin is just another waxy substance.

Matthew: Different viscosity than a wax?

Bryce: It’s a part of the plant that you would want to not necessarily inhale. But it is also part of the plant that is able to make different type of concentrates. So a lot of the things that you see like wax would usually have waxes and paraffins in it or they also call it earwax, butter, elves bread are kind of other textures for cannabis concentrate. All of those contain the plant waxes to some degree. Whereas when you have a shatter or oftentimes most of the oils that you find in vaporizer pens the waxes have been stripped away from that. So it’s just the oil in those.

Matthew: How do you feel about vaporizer pens in general? Do you feel like those have quality cartridges are going around the popular ones, or do you feel like they’re suboptimal in some ways?

Bryce: You know I think it’s like any consumer product. You’re going to have something that is a low quality and something that’s extremely high quality and there’s a lot of companies that are just pumping out as much as they can to feed the demand at a low price. And then you have companies that are really focused on having the best oil possible for their patients. So it’s nice that one unique thing about our industry that I think is going to change over time, but I’m really grateful that it’s kind of the culture right now is that it’s been in the dark and in the shadows and there’s so much cooperation amongst companies and amongst individuals and so much information sharing that it’s almost open source cannabis so to speak.

So if you go onto Instagram or Facebook or MassRoots there’s a lot of knowledge sharing going on to push the community forward as a whole and I think because of that you’re seeing where a few years ago there was more dangerous concentrates and less refined oils, less quality. Now that’s really changing. The bar is being raised and people are working together to create the best products possible.

Matthew: So let’s go to fractionating a little bit because that’s an interesting concept I don’ t think people hear enough about. So you’re saying when you’re using your super critical CO2 machine you have different vessels and the paraffins and waxes and the oils all go into their proper vessel. How does that happen? How does that fractionation process occur so those things can be routed to their proper vessel? Maybe is there a certain temperature, a certain pressure? How does that work?

Bryce: Yeah there’s a couple of ways to do it. And I think the easiest way to start is kind of just give a basic definition of fractionation. All fractionation is is a separation process in which a certain quantity of a mixture such as a gas, a solid or a liquid is divided during a phase transition into a number of smaller quantities which is called fractions. So if we have a vat of oil, we can run it through filters at different pressure to create or to separate the different elements of that oil. So when you’re doing a super fluid critical extraction you essentially extract all of the oil from the vessel where the cannabis is at one time, and then that will move through a liner or column. And then there’s different pressure settings for the different vessels. So I know that the molecules for an oil is going to be able to move through a filter that’s different in size than the molecule for a wax. Same thing with the terpenes. Those are generally the most volatile and small molecules.

So by playing with the pressure settings of your extraction it’s going to collect different elements of that oil that you started with. Another form of extraction that’s becoming incredibly popular is known as fractional distillation. And so essentially a lot of the clear product that you see out there is created through fractional distillation. What they do with that is they use different glassware and columns that are extremely high temperatures to take the oil and evaporate it. And as it evaporates it condenses and there’s different temperatures that will evaporate different parts. So the waxes are going to evaporate at one temperature. They go, they condense, then they go through a column and then they collect into another glass vessel. Then you can switch the temperature to get the oils or to get the terpenes. It’s really hard to get terpenes in fractional distillation because they’re so volatile and have such a low boiling point that most of the clear product you see out there it doesn’t have the smell or the pungent aroma that would be associated with a cannabis extract.

Matthew: Okay very helpful. What about terpenes and terpenoids? Recently at a ArcView Group event Steve D’Angelo was on stage and he said here’s a hint of what the future holds for the cannabis industry and he was saying a little bit about terpenes and terpenoids and how that’s going to become such a big element. What was he talking about there?

Bryce: Yeah terpenes are amazing. So they’re a large and diverse class of organic compounds that are produced by many different plants in nature so not just cannabis. So as cannabis is a medicine gains legitimacy there’s a lot of people out there in the scientific community that believe that part of the effectiveness of cannabis lies within the different terpene profiles and the mixture of these compounds. It will be neat to see over the course of the years as they’re studied just find out what is beneficial for what element. And so the general consensus is Bubba Kush for example is an indica and people say well indica is really good for pain relief, but for some reason Bubba Kush is really good for pain relief. More so than a lot of other indicas.

So the general belief is that it’s because of the unique terpene profile. It creates a synergistic effect that allows those components to come in and work with the body and work with the cannabinoid receptors to mitigate some of that pain. So terpenes some of the most common are limonene that are found in cannabis. It’s also found in citrus. Pinene is found in pine trees. It’s also found in cannabis. There’s some terpenes that are really common in black pepper and lemon grass that when you actually add to CBD, cannabidiol, they increase the effectiveness of the CBD and allow more of that to bond with the brain. So working in conjunction with these terpenes I think we’re going to be able to see better deliver mechanisms for effectiveness. So if I have an infused product that I’m eating that has certain terpenes in it it’s going to allow my body to better absorb that so I get better effects with less of a dosage needed. You know terpenes are also fun because they are kind of what make cannabis unique. So the difference between OG Kush and Bubble Gum is terpenes. Like that’s what’s going to give it its unique characteristic, its aroma, its flavor and a lot of those essences.

Matthew: So you touched on aroma there. Is this already happening in the marketplace where cannabis is extracted into an oil or a wax and then terpenes are added to modify the profile or flavor of the product to make it more desirable for an end user?

Bryce: Absolutely. And it’s actually kind of a controversial topic in the cannabis community. Some people are purists and are really adamantly opposed to that concept, and other people really enjoy it. So you know I will give you an example. There’s a lot of additives to food that we eat that wouldn’t necessarily be in the food, but because science and palate has dictated that it might be a good thing there’s kind of a consumer demand for it. One of the products that’s most prolific in the cannabis world that adds terpenes into it is this clear product that I talk about which is a highly refined distilled cannabis oil. Because when you’re done with that process it smells very soft and kind of not very plant like. It’s got almost a slight burn aroma to it. So a lot of companies try to mask that and increase the desirability by adding natural flavors from the food world or natural terpenes found in the plant world. Where we’re getting even more sophisticated now is now thanks to fractionation and the (20.22 audio cuts).

Matthew: Oh I lost you Bryce.

Bryce: … and then they’re able to remove the water from the terpenes and actually put cannabis terpenes back into their product. There’s very few companies doing it. We’re working on it right now and I know there’s a couple of companies in Colorado that are also working on that. But that’s going to be something that’s going to be really exciting to hit the marketplace is to have cannabis-specific terpenes then reintroduced into these vaporizer oils and these smokable products that are strain specific. Trying to mimic a Sour Diesel profile or an OG Kush profile by using terpenes from the plant world that aren’t extracted from those strains has proven to be extremely difficult and inaccurate. So that’s why you don’t really see a good fake, so to speak, OG Kush vaporizer oil because big big companies that are in the perfume and aroma world have been working on this for the last few years to varied limited success. So the key is going to be to actually extract it from the cannabis material and reintroduce it I think moving forward.

Matthew: Now there’s still some people in the cannabis community that prefer butane or propane for extraction purposes. We know that those two things can be explosive which is obviously a big negative, but apart from that what are the positives? What are people looking for when they’re still choosing the butane or propane?

Bryce: Yeah so from just a basic application standpoint generally hydrocarbon extracts are able to better preserve the terpene profile and are a lot easier to produce a variety of texture with less sophisticated lab equipment than it takes for a CO2 concentrate. I think that’s why they’re more prolific. There’s a lot more hydrocarbon extracts on the market than CO2 and some of it is in due part to the ease of being able to utilize hydrocarbons to do extraction. Anyone that can spend five minutes online and go to the hardware store can make a cannabis extraction with butane or propane. I don’t recommend it. It’s not safe and it poses a lot of risks, but I think that’s why in general they’re so popular is because just the ease of being able to do it from a do-it-yourself standpoint has been well documented and is fairly easy to do.

CO2 equipment generally comes from the pharmaceutical industry. So to purchase a super fluid critical CO2 extractor, a very small bench top hobby system is going to enter at over $20,000. To utilize a machine like we do in my company which is a Waters, you’re looking at anywhere from $150,000 on up. Some of the Eden Labs machines are upwards of $300,000. So you know the barrier to entry to be able to facilitate that kind of extraction is much higher than with hydrocarbons. And that’s just the machine. That doesn’t include any of the post processing equipment that you might need such as a rotovate or a scientific freezer that goes to negative 40 degrees Celsius if you’re trying to do winterization. You know fume hoods are extremely expensive. So for hydrocarbon and butane and propane, you know, it’s simple to do, but it’s not simple to do correctly.

So there’s a reason why Colorado and Washington and Nevada allow for those things and allow for that type of extraction. When it’s done with the right equipment that’s ETL certified and people have the right training and it’s done in an explosion proof facility, you know it’s a very safe and effective means of extracting. The danger is posed when people that don’t know what they’re doing and aren’t doing it with the right machinery and the right facility are working with a flammable gas that can ignite at any given time. Another problem with hydrocarbon extractions is that although there’s a lot of pure gas out there that claims to be 99 percent pure butane or 99.5 percent pure propane, there’s other chemical components in those gases that are toxic in the parts per billions. So a very very finite small amount of some of these components that are prevalent in hydrocarbons that are still in the final cannabis concentrated product can be carcinogenic and can actually pose a health risk.

So it’s really important that as the country goes towards regulation and you know the state that I’m in California that we allow for hydrocarbon extraction because it’s a great way to extract cannabis, but we do it in a very regulated way that ensures that the people doing the extraction are going to be safe and ensures that the final product is going to be safe and free from carcinogens because California is a medical state. So people are, and this is a medicine. And oftentimes you want to make sure that the medicine that you’re using isn’t actually going to pose any health risks or cause issues on top of it.

Matthew: Now what’s the difference between extracting from the leaves of the cannabis plant versus the flower or buds?

Bryce: Sure. So you know most extraction is done with the leaves. It’s a byproduct of manicuring the dried flower. The dried flower is probably one of the most popular ways to consume cannabis but it’s also highly valuable. So fewer people use flower than trim. If you do flower for extraction, you generally are going to get a higher yield because there’s more essential oils and trichomes present on the flower than the leaf material. Oftentimes you’re going to get a more robust and higher percentage of terpenes in that final extraction.

There’s some new extraction tech coming out that’s pretty interesting called Live Resin. With that people are actually taking fresh buds before they’re dried and cured and they’re dropping them to below negative 40 degrees Celsius and then they’re running extractions on them that way and it comes out with a really aromatic and very wonderful smelling concentrate. Much higher terpene profiles and some Live Resin than you would see in traditional ways of extracting.

Matthew: What’s happening there at those really low temperatures that accounts for that do you think?

Bryce: Well you want to get the water out of the product that you’re extracting especially with CO2 extraction because the difference between a polar and a non-polar solvent kind of causes tension. So if there’s water present then the CO2 is actually less effective as a solvent. So you’re getting less concentrated product out of it. So by dropping the temperatures of something that has a high moisture content, you’re essentially freeze drying it. And so you’re using subzero temperatures to remove that moisture before you do the extraction. So that’s kind of the principle behind it.

Matthew: That’s interesting. Okay. Now how is California addressing or how are Californians adopting concentrates? Do you feel like flower is still the number one thing or is the market turning? Because definitely in Colorado it’s a major, major pivot to all kinds of concentrates and edibles and infused products and tinctures. It really seems like flowers is really shrinking in popularity. It will always be there, but it just seems the convenience and the ability to dial in what you want with the infused products is changing the landscape a lot. How do you see it in California? Still mostly flower?

Bryce: No I think what you’re finding in Colorado and Washington is being mirrored here. I think a big reason for that is this standardization and the quality control that is starting to happen in the industry. So whether by force in a regulated state or just by the evolution in a state like California, before consumers would walk in and get a brownie and not know that that experience is going to be the same as the brownie they had the day or the week before. But now there’s so many companies that actually do accurate labeling and are putting the same trim or the same source material into their products that consumers and patients can now have a chocolate bar, none month, eight months later, go to that company and have the same chocolate and have the same effect.

And I think that you know that regulation and that standardization is really pushing the popularity of edible forward and same thing with concentrates. You know concentrates are discreet. It’s kind of like having a glass of wine. If you’re hitting it from a vaporizer pen, you can pretty much medicate almost anywhere. It takes a lot of the ritual out of it and it becomes more just easy technology to use to medicate. And I think because of that you know that’s a big reason why they’re gaining in popularity. You can also inhale a much smaller amount of concentrate to get a psychoactive effect as opposed to flowers. When they’re done properly they’re generally regarded as more safe because you don’t have a lot of the combustible materials that’s found in flowers that are in concentrates.

Matthew: Great points. Now you make an interesting chocolate bar on 420. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Bryce: Yeah we have a 420 Pop Rock bar and it actually is kind of a fun story. My partner and I were visiting a food scientist in a little town outside of San Francisco a few years ago. And she was working on developing our nutrition facts for some of our products and as we were leaving she just happened to mention to us that she had three pounds of Pop Rocks in the trunk of her car. She said I just got back from this food convention and I have all these Pop Rocks, can you guys do anything with them and we said yeah we’ll take them. So over the course of us eating lunch we were brainstorming on what to do with this abundance of Pop Rocks and you know we decided that for April, which is 4/20, you know the international unofficial stoner holiday, we would do a limited edition chocolate bar that had Pop Rocks in it and because it was 4/20, we were going to do a 420 mg chocolate bar.

That at the time was unheard of. There has sense been a race to the top to see who can put the most cannabis in an edible as possible So you now see chocolate bars or brownies that have over 1,000 mg, but a few years ago 420 was a lot. We though you know we were taking a risk. We didn’t think people would want that much, that potent of a bar and it ended up becoming our number one seller. So we made 500 bars for the month of April, and blew through those. And to this day we still keep that. It’s the highest potent product that we offer. It’s the only one that’s more than 200 mg, but people really tend to enjoy it. And for people that medicate heavily you know it’s a really good value, and it’s fun to eat.

Matthew: Yes and for people that are new listeners to CannaInsider typically an adult dose is considered 10mg. So 420 would send you to outer space pretty quickly for most people. Some people could eat that much or consume that much and it’s really not that big of a deal. If they’re a fast metabolizer or a slow metabolizer, there’s a lot of different variables, but just to give you a sense of scale the state of Colorado considers an adult dose 10mg. So that is huge.

Bryce: Yeah and right around that subject it’s also just important to throw out for people that haven’t had a lot of experience that it’s best to always eat edibles with food. It helps metabolize them a little bit better and remember that if you’ve smoked before you’re going that in a few minutes, but an edible can take over an hour before you feel the effects. So start low and go slow.

Matthew: Yes great points. As we get close to 2016 do you think California will pass legislation that will make cannabis recreationally legal?

Bryce: I think it’s unlikely that the state is going to do it or the state legislators, but there’s a couple of initiatives that are gain momentum and I think will be on the ballot for voters to decide that have been submitted by different groups. So there’s a great medical bill being worked on. It still has some flaws, but there’s a lot of traction behind it called SB266 and that would regulate the medical aspect of cannabis in California but we will see what happens with adult use. I’ll be very surprises if there’s not at least one or two options for voters to choose come November of 2016.

Matthew: Do you think a lot of the black market growers can make a transition to you know a legal market growing because it’s still a huge part of the culture in Northern California to have these grows that are not let’s say they’re black market grows. What’s going to happen to those growers do you think?

Bryce: Yeah you know it’s hard to say. I think the only thing that we can hope for in this state is that as regulations come that the barrier to entry is not going to be so high that only the affluent or established corporations are going to be able to participate in the cannabis industry. This is a cottage industry that has thrived in this state for decades, and there’s a lot of good will intention people that want to be able to continue their lifestyle and to continue to provide high quality medicine for their patients. So you know that is a whole is kind of where I hope it’s going to go and as far as the black market goes it’s hard to say. You know hopefully those people will see that it’s a much better transition and a much safer way to live your life to transition into the legal market. You know as long as there’s a pathway to do it, I think you will see a lot of people choose to go down that path in to incorporate and pay their taxes and participate in their communities in a much more formal way than they have in the past.

Matthew: Bryce as we close, how can listeners learn more about your products?

Bryce: Yeah you can check out our websites or We have a lot of our test results on SE Labs so Also you can find a lot of information that’s valuable. We have a ton of great links and resources if people are wanting to educate themselves and try to understand more about concentrate manufacturing and production, medical effectiveness for terpenes. We really want to be a resource where patients can get the knowledge that they need. I can also be emailed at

Matthew: Okay. Bryce thanks so much for being on CannaInsider today. We really appreciate it.

Bryce: Yeah Matt thanks for having me. It was a good time.

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