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Matthew: Hi, I'm Matthew Kind. Every Monday, look for a fresh new episode, where I'll take you behind the scenes and interview the insiders that are shaping the rapidly evolving cannabis industry. Learn more at cannainsider.com, that's cannainsider.com. Now, here's your program.
The hemp and cannabis markets are quickly busting out of individual countries and expanding across the globe. Different from years past, the consumers of new countries that come on board, ending prohibition, increasingly have a sophisticated appetite for well-thought-out products right out of the gate. Here to tell us how his business is helping people around the world with healing cannabinoids is Henry Vincenty, founder of Endoca. Henry, welcome to "CannaInsider."
Henry: Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
Matthew: Give us a sense of geography, where are you in the world today?
Henry: I am in Barcelona, in the mountains of Spain, so I'm enjoying the sun today, as always.
Matthew: Good, good. And I'm in Edinburgh, Scotland. And Henry, what is in Endoca on a high level?
Henry: Well, Endoca is a company that provides cannabinoids to the people around the world that are pharmaceutical grade, and, yeah, we're delivering the quantities that is needed, this is basically what we do.
Matthew: Okay. Well, I wanna get into more about the pharmaceutical grade, but first, can you share a little bit about your background and journey, and what you were doing before you started Endoca, and what sparked the need to create Endoca?
Henry: Well, yeah, of course. Of course, it's a small story, but let me try to make it short. So, I think it happened while I was studying genetics in the University of Denmark. And I was traveling in Africa, working on projects to increase the lifespan of people who are living in zoo area. They were suffering from AIDS. And up while implementing the mainstream medicine and the mobile clinics I was building, I saw that the drugs were not providing people with any solution and only making things worse.
So, this took me to another journey, I think, where I would start rising questions about everything that I learned in university and start looking the alternative ways, how we can restore the immune system without the nasty side effect. And at the same time, as I remember correct, there were people marching the streets, they were shouting for legalizing cannabis in America, especially for I saw some banners people were saying that it helps them to overcome AIDS.
So, that really kicked the whole scientific, you know, curiosity in me, and I was like going back to the university and trying to find out what's up and down. And I saw like thousands of articles talking about this and I was saying asking myself, "Why aren't this available to people? That this is so effective that people are marching the streets already and saying it helps them, why isn't available?" And then, I found out it's too complicated.
So, I decided to make CBD available as one of the cannabinoids that can help people, and make it available online so people can get it, and not wait for the governments and pharmaceutical companies to do the trials and wait for 20 years. Because if you have a problem today, you need a solution today, you can't wait for 20 years for some trials to be finished. So, I think that's how the whole thing started.
Matthew: Okay. Yeah, you mentioned that in Africa, you saw that some of the things and solutions that were being tried weren't working, what was not working?
Henry: Well, the whole way of looking at the problem was wrong because symptom treatment is not the solution for people who have AIDS. Now, I don't know, I mean, how many of you knows what AIDS is, but it's an acquired immunodeficiency syndrome, which is umbrella of 20 other diseases when your immune system is down. So, when I saw that we were giving people nasty chemicals to remove the symptoms, I was like, "Okay, something is wrong here because we're just making it worse."
And even the chemicals we're giving them had the side effects of even, you know, making the immune system even worse. And the solution even was more simple and clear, which was, of course, the nutrients, and vitamins, and minerals that people didn't get because the people in the rural area, their biggest problem was nutrition. They just didn't get the food and the vitamins and minerals, so they were suffering from a total other case than what's like normally understood of AIDS. I think that answers the question, it was more the whole idea of how it was approached, I think it was totally wrong because there was no improvement.
Matthew: Okay. So, the immune system was already compromised, and then, adding nasty chemicals just made things worse.
Henry: Yeah, yeah. And that's what triggered my, like, real curiosity, why are we doing that? I mean, who gave us this knowledge that we should do it like that? I learned that we should do like a little bit different approach, that you should try to restore balance and not, you know, make it worse. So, yeah, that's how it all started.
Matthew: Okay. And so, you went back to the drawing board and you said, "Hey, it looks like hemp and cannabis are having an impact." And did you talk to any of the scientists in Denmark or anything about why solutions were being used that don't work or was no one really asking those questions besides you?
Henry: I think it's not popular to ask these questions in this type of business because it's a big problem, and people, you know, they have this dogmatic thinking of, "This is what we do," and we have solved the problem, and it's actually people's own fault, and I think it's very difficult to talk about it. So, what I did was I was more like interested in, "Okay, how can we understand this?"
So, I spoke with professors, neurologists, and actually, nobody knew too much about it. And that only increased my interest in it even more because that was like, "All right, really, nobody looked into that angle," which I think is kind of the correct angle, is this, how can we restore the body, how can we regulate the immune system that impacts lean and all other things, and how can we restore the body without using chemicals? I think that's a basic question.
Matthew: Yeah, good point. So, why did you focus specifically on CBD? Was it the reach that you felt like you could achieve with a hemp-derived product?
Henry: Well, actually not. Because I was looking at all cannabinoids and I saw that the ones that were most used on the streets were the one called THC, you know, and this is why people were marching the streets. But nobody knew about cannabinoids 10 years ago in that range we know now, so they were like, "Okay, look, cannabis, it helps me, now I just need it." And I tried to get governments to give us license to provide people with different cannabinoids, also THC, but it looked like THC was a very complicated cannabinoid to work with because it has been stigmatized, and it's like people look at it as a drug, especially the governments.
So, I said to myself, "All right, let's give other cannabinoids a chance and make it available to people so they can make a choice. If they want, you know, to go to the streets and buy something that's illegal, or just buy cannabinoid that doesn't make you high but has all the medicinal properties." So, it was more like the approach of how can we make this available today, you know, without doing too much research as we see that people are using it? I mean, 2.5% of the global population is using cannabis today.
So, I was like, "Okay, let's make pharmaceutical grade safe products available to people who need it, and the quantities they needed, and let's see what happens." So, this was how the whole CBD started 10 years ago, it was by making it available and shaking the paradigm that everything is in. Because everybody was thinking of cannabis and THC, this is it, nobody even knew anything about CBD.
Matthew: Gosh. Okay. Now, tell us a little bit about your grow in Spain, how big it is, anything else that might be interesting about it?
Henry: Well, we grow a lot of hectares, it's 1,000 hectares we grow in our company today, this year. In Spain, we have also grow operation, but we're more focused in Spain on the genetic program because we're breeding our own seeds, we have our own gene banks where we're trying to improve the different varieties we have, and then put them to the fields. So, in north Europe, we grow most of the hemp, but in Spain, of course, we do also hemp, but it's mainly the gene bank.
Matthew: Okay, got it. And how many...? I'm trying to remember how many acres are in a hectare. I think it's like a 2.4 acres in 1 hectare. So, for people that aren't familiar with hectare, that's most people in North America, there's 2.4 acres make up 1 hectare. So, now, last time we spoke, Henry, you mentioned that you wanna grow hemp just like corn. What does that mean and why is that important?
Henry: Well, you see, 10 years ago when we made the CBD available and other few cannabinoids, we saw that the demand is huge, and it's actually on a side where I think everybody should have it in their home as a vitamin C and stuff like that. So, if you want to supply the whole world, you have to make solutions that are scalable. I mean, of course, you can make it in your greenhouse and, you know, go with the scissors and do whatever people are doing these days, and be a real artisan. But I think if you wanna have an impact on the world, you have to have it available in big quantities, high quality, and it has to be price efficient.
And right now, the only way you can do that is by growing like our grandparents grew hemp, or corn, and using the equipment that's already there in industry. It's very difficult, you know, to supply the whole world using scissors in a greenhouse, which I see is the kind of a trend right now but I think it would go away, because hemp grow very nicely outdoors like any other crop, and it's a very robust crop. So, I think it is the only way to do it unless you want some special hemp that is, I don't know, in a special flavor, controlled environment, cloned from special plants. I don't know, I think that's a recreational side of it. But if you're looking at it medicinal and, you know, as a large-scale industry, you can't do it in greenhouses, you have to do the outdoor.
Matthew: And how do you feel about the difference of plants grown inside with no natural sunlight versus outside or in a greenhouse?
Henry: Well, I think that outside is what you get. I mean, if you grow anything outdoor, take a tomato, grow it in a greenhouse, and then go and grow in the mountains like we do, you will have different flavor, you'll have different texture, everything will be different, even the vitamin content will be different. So, I think, the most important is always to say, "Okay, how can we do it in the best way as nature intended?" And I didn't see any results here where you can grow in a test tube, or in a greenhouse in a basement better than you do can grow outdoor. I mean, if you look at the complexity of all the molecules inside, there are over 400, you get much better results outdoor.
Matthew: Okay. And tell us a little bit about how you extract the oil from the plants to create your products.
Henry: Well, what we do is we take the hemp we harvest after drying, we put it in big vessels, and we pump CO2 through it. It's big high-pressure vessels, and CO2 is...I mean, as you all know, and it comes from here, we capture it, compress it, and wash it through. And then, what happens is the CO2 will flow out with the cannabinoids and waxes in other plant material that will create an extract, and it will evaporate. And we will reuse the CO2 again and again, so we only lose very little of it. So, you can say it's a very green technology not only to grow hemp, but we use air to extract it.
Matthew: Okay. Was it a learning process when you first started with the extraction, and how to do it, and kinda get the desired outcome that you wanted?
Henry: Well, of course, because I'm not an expert in this area. When I started, I was more studying genetics and how the body works, this was a very tough learning curve but we had to learn it because not many people were doing it.
Matthew: And what delivery methods of CBD are most popular amongst your customers?
Henry: I think the capsules because they don't have this special hempy taste. I mean, people who love hemp, love the drops, but I see capsules as like the number one as, you know, people are used to take capsules in many different forms, vitamins, and other things. So, I think capsule is the most important and most popular right now.
Matthew: Do you see any new delivery methods kind of becoming popular or gaining tractions, like suppositories or anything like that?
Henry: Well, the suppositories are very important for people who have problems eating it or need a very localized solution. If they have a problem, you know, somewhere else, you can't eat it, it's better to put it somewhere else. Now, what I see of the future is we're working a lot on vaporing the cannabinoids, and I see that a lot of trend is going towards instant effect, so we need to vaporize it. And we've been working on technology for a long time, how can we do that without adding nasty chemicals to it? Because right now, all the vapes you can buy, it's always with something in it, and it's not good for your lungs. So, we'll develop some products that we're gonna hopefully send on the market, where you can make cannabinoids without getting any chemicals into your lungs.
Matthew: Okay. You've mentioned you had a pharmaceutical background, what kind of testing do you do on your plants, and on the oils, and so forth?
Henry: Well, we follow general principles of pharmaceutical production, it means from seed to final product, we test everything to make sure that the product is clean and can be consumed by people in hospitals because we sell and we also give to people in hospitals. So, we have a certain...we can say, there are some rules we have to follow, and in the pharmaceutical world, it's all about purity and traceability. So, when we harvest, we know where we harvest it, when we dry, we know when we tried, what time, what temperature.
We test to see if there is any mold or any pesticides that came from maybe other farmers who were using some chemicals that went to our plants, we're testing for all that before we put it into extractor. After extraction, we again test if anything happened on the extraction, something unexpected, where we test for chemicals, for bacteria, for all things that can be tested for. And then, in the end, when we release the product, we again test for the same thing because you never know what happened in between, maybe someone made a spill somewhere we didn't see in the lab. So, we test again for purity, of course, if there is nothing else inside that we want to be there, and then, of course, also for the cannabinoid content. We have to make sure that you get what's on the labels. So, if it says there are 1,500 milligrams, it has to be that because patients are relying on accurate information.
Matthew: Okay. Any other best practices you brought over from the pharmaceutical industry in terms of standards, your facilities, or anything else?
Henry: Well, I think it's the only way to do it. If you produce something that people have to put into their mouth, and if their immune system is not strong, the only way to do it is follow the general pharmaceutical guidelines. I mean, this is where you really play safe and you make sure that whatever you're doing, you're doing the best you can.
Matthew: Okay. Now, we're talking a lot about the immune system and it's really important because a lot of people have immune problems right now. And why do you think there is so many immune system problems in this era? Wasn't that something that generally plagued past generations yet we seem to have a lot of autoimmune difficulties in the population? Why do you think that might be?
Henry: Well, that's a very interesting and a very deep question. Well, if I should answer a bit more superficial on it, I think the biggest problem is that people are not living in homeostasis, not in balance. What it means is they are consuming more energy than they're using and this creates a cascade of reactions in the body. For example, I mean, you eat things that are not good for you. I think, if you did it in small proportions, maybe that will not affect you that much, but when you eat too much of it, and you need every day, you'll have huge problems in your system because your body is created of billions and billions of small factories that react to the surroundings.
And the moment you start doing things in a wrong way that's not giving you the most effective way of living or surviving, or fighting the entropy, because, you know, what we do as humans is we are racing against entropy every day. So, if you don't have the best possible starting point, you start creating a lot of problems. And especially what you eat is, I think, the biggest, biggest problems of what you said because it creates everything from inflammation to nasty problems.
So, I think, what I can say to everybody and if anybody is interested in it, is really look at what you eat, and eat less, and try to eat better. Raw food is, of course, one of the most ideal ways to get out of these problems, but if that's difficult, well, just eat less. I mean, if you can eat one time per day, you will help your body a lot. And, of course, sugars and carbs, it's one of the worst things you can do.
Matthew: Yes. So, you sound like you're pretty clean living out there in Spain, absorbing the sunshine, getting vitamin D.
Henry: Of course, yeah.
Matthew: Good. Good. That makes a lot of sense. Can you tell us about any other cannabinoids that excite you, that you think are on the broad map? I mean, the public was generally engaged with THC first, now they're learning about CBD, is there any other cannabinoids you feel like is gonna capture the public's interests in terms of the benefits they can receive?
Henry: Well, I think that's yet the universe we're exploring right now. What we can see is different cannabinoids have different side effects. I call it side effects because if you don't need the effect, it's a side effect, because when you take THC to fight cancer cells, but you get high, that's a side effect. But sometimes you need it because if somebody has a problem and they can't forget they've problems, sometimes THC will help them because they need to forget the problem. So, you see effect and side effect is really something that can be discussed.
Now, regarding different cannabinoids, well, we have a lot of cannabinoids available, we're testing them out. But what we can see is mainly, they are interacting with your endocannabinoids system and creating homeostasis. Of course, they give you different side effects, no doubt about that, but in general, I mean, if you have a problem and you take a lot of CBD, question is, will CBG, or CBC, or other cannabinoid be better? I don't know, because I always say, take whatever you have available, as long as it comes from hemp or cannabis, I'm sure it's gonna help you to restore the homeostasis because this is what cannabinoids do in general. They go and they bind to your receptors in your body, go through the cell membrane, and they restore the balance, which is the key. It gives you the chance now to get out of the different problems you have. Of course, you need discipline to stop eating sugar or whatever was causing the problem you are having, but to aim and say any other cannabinoid is a wonder, I don't know.
I mean, we have cannabinoids available, we're testing them out, but we've seen, in general, they're working on the same way, creating homeostasis. Yes, you know, CBG is very good for inflammation, you can see that, but I can't prove that it's better than CBD, not yet. I think we will need many years to come before we can say something scientific about it, right now, we just say this and whatever cannabinoids you have available, grab it, use it, you'll not regret it.
Matthew: Yeah, good points, good points. So, you're in Spain, there's a lot of differences between the Danish culture and the Spanish culture. What were some of the things that you noticed when you first moved over there? One of the observations I've had about people from Denmark is they're very good at foreign languages, why do you think that is? Is that because not many people speak Danish?
Henry: I think that's one of the reasons. I mean, if only 5 million people speak Danish, you gotta learn other languages or you'll have communication problems.
Matthew: Yeah, that's a good point. Do you speak Spanish pretty well?
Henry: Well, I'm working on it. I know several of the other languages, but you see in Spain, I'm living in the mountains, off the grid, so I don't need many people besides few scientists and some crazy people in the woods, you know?
Matthew: Okay. What other languages do you speak?
Henry: Well, I speak, of course, English, Danish, I understand Swedish and Norwegian. I've been working on French for some time but I start to forget a lot of it. And then, the Spanish is, of course, something I'm still working on.
Matthew: Do you think Catalonia will separate from the rest of Spain?
Henry: Well, that's a tough one, I don't know, man. But I know that many people will be happy if that happens, especially in the region of Costa Brava and the Catalonia, but I don't know, man, it's difficult to say, you know, politics, it's not something we can predict.
Matthew: Right. Now, the Danish have a strong tradition of bicycling everywhere, do you see a lot of that in Spain, do you miss that from Denmark?
Henry: Well, you know, a lot of people will go by bikes here but the infrastructure is not there. But the beauty thing is, now that I live in the forest, off the grid, I can go by bike every day, nobody bothers me. So, I don't go much to the supermarkets, we are self-sustainable, so we grow everything we need. So, yeah, I enjoy going by bike just almost by myself. But I know it's a problem in the city because they don't have the infrastructure like they do in Denmark.
Matthew: So, you're totally off the grid. Do you produce your own power then like through solar, or do you have electrical setup?
Henry: We produce everything ourselves. Because we think, listen, if you wanna change the world, you gotta start with yourself. And if you can't do it, what can you then do? So, we're trying to do everything in the most balanced way so that we can say, "Hey, at least we did it."
Matthew: Yeah, that's great, to lead by example.
Matthew: So, tell us a little bit about how you eat because you talked about food, and eating raw, and eating once a day, things people might not be used to hearing about. I know a lot of people in the paleo community or the keto community maybe eat just once a day, but I haven't heard it from a lot of people that are talking about just raw food. Can you tell us a little bit about how you eat?
Henry: Oh, yeah. I mean, of course, you know, you have to have a lot of discipline whenever you wanna change something. And I think the most difficult task as you notice is when you travel, things change a little bit, but if I stay in one place for longer time, I try to eat one meal a day in the evening, limited to like 2,500 calories, because you don't wanna eat too much. And then, eat as much as you can, vegan, so like peanut butter, vitamins and minerals, of course, I take supplements that we sublimate, extracts from blueberries. But mainly stay raw food, raw food is very good, you know, beans and salads, very good for you. Of course, peanut butter is very good source of protein.
And then, if you only eat one time per day, magic happens in your body. I think, if anybody's interested, you should do some research on the subject called intermediate fasting, it's beautiful, it changes everything in your body and makes you much more efficient, and helps you to create homeostasis, so this is where I try all the time. When I'm traveling, it gets messed up because the times always change, so then, you know, it's not that easy. But if you stay one place for a longer time, I think that's one of the best ways to do it.
Matthew: I've definitely tried this and I'm currently just doing 13-hour intermediate fasting. I have an app called Zero, Z-E-R-O, you can get for free on the App Store. And there is something, you know, to taking time to let the body recover. I am not as gangster as you going one meal a day, that's inspiring, I wanna try that to see, I think it would be hard transition. But then, I think, one of the problems is that you have to really eat quite a bit, do it for that one meal, but then your body gets to digest that and it's got this other time.
Some people say that if you're not eating, your body can get rid of cells that have mutated and get them out of the body much quicker, so there's benefits to your body can go into more maintenance mode. Do you think there's anything to that?
Henry: Well, I think there is a lot of things we have to explore, but one thing is for sure, it's very positive, and it looks like this is what our ancestors did, I don't think they had so much food lying around like we have today. And we see from a genetic point of view, I mean, I studied genetics so this was my angle to it, that you can actually change the transcription of your gene code. It means that when you start eating different, and like we say in the regiment of only one time per day, you change everything, you change even your hormone balance. So, for example, if you are male, you can produce more testosterone. It means you can live more, you can become stronger and much faster.
But it's a little bit against the mainstream science, but, I think, you know, in the time yet to come, people will realize that this is what's happening. So, you know, self-discipline, I think, is the key to many successes in the world, and in the life, and I think food is one of the most important things in our day today because nobody looks at it as they should. It's not just, you know, fuel, it is really who you are. So, I believe in this, what you are is what you eat, you know?
Matthew: Yeah. And your study of genetics, are you talking about like epigenetics, that realm of study?
Henry: Well, not only that, it's also just the physics and genetics, where you look at genes and cells, how they are functioning. And the question is, how do we create the best environment for the body, which is a lot of cells with a lot of DNA inside, how do we create the best environment so they can perform in the best way? And this is what genetics is all about. Now, of course, you can go to many branches and study, you know, different angles to it, but I always keep it in a simple main form and looked at how can we really do that?
And I saw that the genes in your body, really, you know, it's not magic or anything, the genes you have in your body react to the environment. And our job is to create the environment so they can perform best way as they are in our body. So, I hope that answers the question.
Matthew: It does. I've asked you a bunch of personal development questions but I just wanna ask you a few more before we close. Is there a book that has had a big impact on your life or your way of thinking that you'd like to share with listeners?
Henry: Well, yeah, I think there are many books, just to say one, it would be discriminating all the others. But, I say, if somebody has time today, maybe they should look at George Orwell, "Nineteen Eighty-Four," because a lot of things are going on around you that was written 100 years ago, I think that's a fun one to start with.
Matthew: That's a good one. You know, also "Brave New World," it looks like China is more of the George Orwell version, and the western world seems more of the Aldous Huxley "Brave New World" kind, where people don't really see what's happening, it's more in the background.
Henry: Yeah, well, that's also part of it. I mean, if you read George Orwell, "Nineteen Eighty-Four," you will see that different countries are mentioned and how they behave is also mentioned. I think we are following the path very well.
Matthew: Yeah. Well, how about, is there a tool, web-based or otherwise, that you consider important to your productivity?
Henry: Yeah. I think AI is one of the things we're spending some time on, and quantum computers, this is what people should really spend their time on.
Matthew: Quantum computing, yeah, that's a big one. In fact, they say that's the new arms race amongst the big powers is quantum computing, you can crack any code with a quantum computer. It's almost hard for the human brain to conceptualize quantum computing as being something they should pay attention to. Why do you pay attention to it, why do you think it's a big theme?
Henry: Because it's like we're going from horse-backings to airplanes and nobody's paying attention. And I'm like, "Guys, it's happening in front of our eyes, it's there, and people are still sitting on horsebacks and saying, 'Nah, it's not there.'" So, I think it's really a topic that we should really all of us pay attention to.
Matthew: Yes. In fact, Google just passed the Turing Test, which is a test I think was created by a scientist in the 50s. It says, "When we can't tell when we're talking or interacting with a computer, that computer will pass the Turing Test." And there's a link, I'll include in the show notes of this interview, which shows Google artificial intelligence calling a hair salon to make an appointment, and the person on the other end has no idea that they're talking to an artificial intelligence.
It's just amazing how the artificial intelligence has little human characteristics, where it says um, and uh, and this little slang words where you really just can't tell it's artificial intelligence. So, there's all these applications that we're just not even gonna know they're gonna happen until boom, they show up. So, I'm with you, I watch that closely as well.
Matthew: Now, Henry, if you were to do something totally outside the cannabis or hemp industry just for fun, what would it be?
Henry: Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not only inside the cannabis industry, I look at other plants and herbs, and looking how they can help humans to solve different problems, so I'm already doing it. We're not just doing cannabinoids from cannabis, we're looking at all different plants in the world that have amazing properties, which we will learn more about in the future.
Matthew: Henry, do you look at ayahuasca?
Henry: Of course. Of course, that's also natural molecules inside that have a lot of potential in our society to solve many problems. So, that's what I'm talking about, well, that's what I'm doing most of my time, besides cannabis, is exploring nature and all the molecules in there, and plants, and how they can give us or help us, human, to create a positive effect.
Matthew: Yes, I agree. And I've heard ayahuasca is getting quite popular in Spain, so...
Henry: Oh, yeah.
Matthew: Cool. Well, Henry, as we close, how can listeners find out more about Endoca, and find your products online and on social media?
Henry: Well, you can go to endoca.com, I mean, endoca.com, and I think everything is there. From there, you can have access to YouTube, Facebook, and all other platforms we have.
Matthew: Okay. Well, Henry, thanks so much for coming on the show today. We'll let you get back to your hot fudge sundae and fried twinkies.
Henry: Yeah, thank you.
Matthew: And keep us updated on everything you're doing, it seems like you're doing a great job, so good luck to you.
Henry: Well, I will. Thank you very much, thanks for having me.
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