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Matthew: Hi I'm Matthew Kind. Each week I will take you behind the scenes to interview the insiders that are shaping the rapidly evolving legal marijuana industry. Learn more at www.cannainsider.com. That's www.cannainsider.com. What are the five disruptive trends that will shape the cannabis industry in the next five years? Find out with your free report at www.cannainsider.com/trends. That's www.cannainsider.com/trends. Now here's your program. They say a jack of all trades is the master of none. Whoever pinned that quote has not met the people at MadFarma.com. MadFarma.com has a deep experience and expertise in several areas of the cannabis business, but they are best known for extracting the cleanest concentrates. I'm happy to welcome to the show Darrin Farrow and Alex Taracki. Welcome guys.
Darrin: Thank you Matt.
Matthew: To give us a sense of geography, can you tell us where you are in the world?
Darrin: Well currently we are building at a facility in Nevada. Our concentrates you'll find all over the state of Oregon, we're looking to expand currently into a bigger facility there. And we have another warehouse in the Denver area that we're specking out and getting ready to build out also.
Matthew: What does MadFarma.com do?
Darrin: Well we do a number of things. We do consulting. We've helped people that are applying for licenses, obtain licenses in certain states. We help speck out their facilities. Myra [ph] and Alex, my partners, have extensive backgrounds in construction. And I would say that cultivation and construction are two disciplines that complement each other very, very nicely. and then I would say the third piece licensing, building out and then the operational peice.
Matthew: And why are the concentrates from MadFarma.com different?
Alex: This is Alex. So concentrates are different because they're extracted the same way every other extraction company extracts, but their purged and finished up a little bit different. We use a very long time to finish our product. So our products are super clean and very, very, very pure.
Matthew: Great and there's a few different ways to extract. Can you, Alex, summarize how extraction exactly works for people that may not be familiar and why they might want to experiment or try a concentrate?
Alex: Okay so there's two ways of extracting. It's a open... we're talking about hydrocarbon extractions is what we are using. There's two different categories. There's the hydrocarbon extraction, then solvent extractions. We use hydrocarbon extractions, and there's two ways of hydrocarbon extraction. You can use a closed loop system or an open loop system. Open hose system is usually in people's back yards, small time growers, nothing commercial. And then a more professional way is closed hose system. That's what we're using. It just blowing hydrocarbons straight through the marijuana and extract all the oil. And then the final part about this is extracting that hydrocarbons away from the oil so it gives you a 100 percent pure oil.
Matthew: And for people that are doing extractions like yourself, do you use all parts of the plants or just certain parts when extracting the oil. How does that work?
Alex: This is Alex again. So it all depends what product you're looking for. We generally extract the whole complete plant, but we separate it in three different parts. One part is we extract just the (4.11 unclear), just the flower of the plant to give you the best and tastiest product is the wax. Then we can extract the fine trim in which fine trim is just the trim that comes off the flower, and that gives you as well a very nice product. It's an edible product, but not as tasty and not as therapy as the flower does. And then there's a third extraction which is the extraction of the rest of the parts of the flower of the plant. And that's used for cooking oil.
Matthew: And for people that may not familiar what the dab is or dabbing, can you just introduce them to that concept?
Alex: Yes so dabbing, dabs usually it's just a concentrates are much smaller, smaller amount than the (4.53 unclear) THC content or CBD content. Titanium nail gets heat up really hot, so about 700 degrees. And then you just put a little piece and a little bit of oil on top of that titanium nail and it evaporates instantly and you inhale it. Very simple.
Matthew: Okay. Your concentrates are extremely pure and you have a painstaking process, but let's talk about maybe some company that creates concentrates that doesn't use best practices like MadFarma.com. How would they know that they're dabbing with a concentrate that is suboptimal, let's say?
Alex: Okay so the way that you know it's not dabbed, that harshness. So upon exhaling that vape our of your lungs, first it's going be terpene that you're going to taste which a super good flavor terpene of the flower or the extract that you are vaping. And then second it's going to be that harshness which is (6.03 unclear) that's left over in that. So upon exhaling if you have this huge harshness kind of coming through your chest and kind of almost giving you hiccups, then you know it's super (6.12 unclear). Which (6.14 unclear) MadFarma.com products there's absolutely no harshness. It's super, super, super smooth.
Matthew: Great point and you know, to give listeners a sense of how high a THC can be in this wax, can you tell us a typical or average THC concentration on these dabs?
Alex: The typical is between 65 percent to 85 percent. We have some that tested as high has 93 percent. That's really... there's just a few strains out there that will give you that high THC that it's high, i mean, low 90s, but a typical is anywhere between 65 to 85.
Matthew: And tell us a little bit about how CBD levels interact with THC in concentrates and why that's important.
Alex: Okay so CBD is a non-psychoactive cannabinoid in a marijuana plant, but it's extremely medicinal. A lot of people like CBD as a pain reliever. I mean it has multiple medicinal effects. We're all over the board between the CBD and THC. We have some of strains that are super high CBD and very low THC. We have some that are super high THC and very low CBD, and then we have some that are in the middle, they're about 50/50 or 2:1 CBD to THC ratio or the other way around 2:1 THC to CBD ratio. CBD dabs, it looks similar to the THC oil. The extraction process is exactly the same. The purging process is very similar. The difference is like I said it's a non psychoactive so after dabbing you will feel the relaxation in your body, and if you have any kind of pain, that pain kind of relieving, but it will not get your head high. So like I said non-psychoactive so you don't experience that normal high as you will after smoking a regular joint.
Matthew: Right. There's a lot of excitement about CBD out there right now and all it's medicinal properties. So thanks for giving us some color around that. Which states can listeners find MadFarma.com concentrates right now?
Darrin: This is Darrin. The high CBD that we're working on is predominantly in Oregon. You will be able to find our products throughout Nevada I'm going to say in the next 4 to 6 months and following that we'll be in the Colorado are. And I did want to expand a little bit, Alex and Myra who have done a phenomenal job. They're our top Mad scientists, and we currently just got lab results back on one of our Mad oil, high CBD products. And I believe that's testing at around 80 percent CBD. Is that correct Alex?
Alex: That is correct.
Darrin: And to put that into prospective, there's a concentrate, but there's kind of a famous strain out there called Charlotte's Web, and that's about 24 percent CBD, less than 1 percent THC. So this is... I have yet to see anything as high as what we've been able to manufacture recently.
Matthew: Now switching gears back to Alex, I just have another question about extraction. There is storied of people trying to make oils in their basement or things like that with disastrous results. That's often done via butane hash oil. Is that correct? Can you tell us a little bit about that, and what happens when things go wrong when people try to do this themselves?
Alex: Okay absolutely. Earlier I was saying that there's two ways of extracting. One is a close loop system and one is an open loop system. Open loop system means you are literally stuffing marijuana into the little glass tube, and you're blasting butane straight through the glass tube and butane is coming out of the bottle evaporates in the atmosphere and then it drains all the oil out of marijuana. So that butane evaporating in the atmosphere is extremely dangerous. I mean any kind of spark, anything around it, it's going to instantly light up and explode. And therefore people come into an issue is they don't really look into it as much as they should. They don't have enough ventilation. They don't have enough air movement, smoking around or whatever else happens around it and it explodes, extremely, extremely dangerous. I don't absolutely recommend it. Don't try it. I mean it's just not the thing to do. The way that we do our extraction it's all 100 percent closed loop system. Which closed loop it means that we take the gas out of the bottle, we send it through the system that's closed loop which means it's completely closed loop. Gas never comes out into the atmosphere, and then upon extraction, finishing extraction, we complete extract that gas right back into the same bottle, and we extract 99.5 percent of the gas. So there's absolutely no gas coming out into the atmoshpere which obviously if the gas is not in the atmosphere, there's no risk of explosions.
Matthew: How do you see the concentrates evolving over the next three to five years? They're somewhat of a newcomer on the scene for most people. They're just starting to become familiar with them. Where do you see it going?
Alex: So let's talk about, if you're talking about (11.39 unclear), we can talk a little bit about the state of Colorado. The state of Colorado is by far the furthest ahead in the marijuana world, concentrates and just marijuana. Two years ago marijuana was about 80 percent, concentrates were about 20 percent on the market. Today they're are about 60 percent concentrates, 40 percents flower or marijuana, and I would say within 3 to 5 years it's probably going to be 75 concentrate and 25 percent flower.
Matthew: Wow, that's amazing.
Alex: Yes. So and the reason behind it is it's easier to use. You have to use a lot less of the medicine to get the effect of the THC or the CBD because it's a much higher concentrate. It's a lot more discrete. If you use this high end vape pen that you can get on the market, there's no smell, it's very discrete. It's the way to go.
Matthew: Okay. And just as how things are evolving towards concentrates, how do you see cultivation changing. I mean it's gone from back rooms to pretty high tech cultivation centers. How do you see cultivation changing?
Alex: So cultivation is pretty much, you know, everything is obviously changing. The way I see it changing is cultivation is all going to be in the light. The less electricity, more yields is where cultivation is trying to go, trying to implement LED lights or ceramic light bulbs, trying to use all that so that the fewer amps, electrical amps the more grams per lot. That's really what all it's going to be. It's not really there yet. There are many manufacturers of LED lights that are doing a good job, but still not there yet. But I would say 3 to 5 years it's definitely going to be there.
Matthew: There seems to be a great bifurcation and opinion about LED lights. Are they ready for prime time in your opinion?
Alex: No, not yet. So LED lights, really the technology behind LEDs they are saying that you're not going to... like let's say the result of 1000 watt HBS light bulb, the HBS is a high pressured sodium light bulbs, those are the light bulbs doing cultivation all over the world. So the most popular light bulb is 1000 watts. They are saying you do not have to use 1000 watts of LED light bulbs to get the same amount of flower being produced under the same light which is not there yet. LED bulbs work, but you still have to use the same amount of watts to get the amount of flower. So it's getting there, but no absolutely not there yet.
Matthew: Is there a technology in the cannabis industry that really excites you right now apart from what you're doing at MadFarma?
Alex: Absolutely. I was just talking about it. It's all about those light bulbs.
Matthew: The light bulbs.
Alex: Yeah, if we can get something that's not going to release that much heat as a HBS light bulb and that much electricity, but it's going to produce as much as a 1000 watt HBS light bulb does, that's the future no doubt about it.
Matthew: Is there any LED manufacturers right now that you think are very close?
Alex: There's a manufacturer, I don't know the name of it, but it has something to do with the Army. They're doing some kind of lights for the Army, and they're trying it in the cannabis industry right now. They're saying they're there. I have not tested those bulbs yet, but no anything that's in the market, everything that we've seen just in the last (15.13 unclear) conference we were on. Nothing is there yet.
Matthew: Okay. In closing how can listeners learn more about MadFarma?
Darrin: This is Darrin. Our website they can go to, it's www.madfarma.com, and just so everyone knows it is MadFarma.comceuticals, but it's spelled as in farming, F-A-R-M-A. So that's MadFarma.com.
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