Hemp and cannabis are getting ready to disrupt one of the biggest industries in the world: beauty and skincare.
Here to tell us about it is Melissa Jochim of High Beauty, a cannabis-infused cosmetics brand that’s hitting shelves in stores across the world, including the multinational beauty chain Sephora.
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- Melissa’s background in cannabis and how she came to start High Beauty
- An inside look at High Beauty and its mission to make canna-beauty products mainstream
- Current perceptions surrounding cannabis in the beauty and skincare space
- How hemp benefits the health and appearance of our skin
- The different products High Beauty now has to offer from masks to moisturizers
- A breakdown of the chemistry involved in creating cannabis-infused cosmetics
- Where High Beauty is available for purchase, including Sephora and Macy’s
- How Melissa sees the canna-beauty market evolving over the next few years
Matthew: Hi, I'm Matthew Kind. Every Monday, I look for a fresh new episode where I'll take you behind the scenes and interview the insiders that are shaping the rapidly evolving cannabis industry. Learn more at cannainsider.com. That's cannainsider.com. Now, here's your program.
There is a massive industry that has been around for centuries or longer, and hemp and cannabis are getting ready to disrupt that industry. What industry am I talking about? Beauty and skin care. Here to tell us more is Melissa Jochim of High Beauty. Melissa, welcome to "CannaInsider."
Melissa: Well, thank you. I'm excited. I love talking to you. I've had great conversations and look forward to one today.
Matthew: Great. Give us a sense of geography. Where are you at in the world today?
Melissa: Well, I'm at the High offices in Santa Rosa, California, in Northern California, just Northeast San Francisco in the wine country.
Matthew: Oh, that's a great area. Okay. And what is High Beauty on a high-level?
Melissa: You know, I think of High Beauty, and we are skin care and serious skin care, you're go-to skin care. And we're actually working with seed derivatives from the cannabis plant because they're jampacked with antioxidants and nutrients and have so many different benefits. So, that's what I would say we are, high-level.
Matthew: Okay. And can you share a little bit about your background and journey and how you got both into the beauty space and started High Beauty?
Melissa: I've been in the beauty industry for 32 years, and that's a long time. I'm 52. I grew up in the world of hair salon, a beauty salon. My mom owned a hair salon, and I swore I would never get into the beauty world. And it's crazy, I went to school, I studied chemistry and had no idea what I wanted to do with it. I thought I was actually gonna fly the space shuttle. And needless to say, that did not work out. And straight out of college, my first job was actually with Robert Tisserand, and he's the father of aromatherapy. I mean, this was before there was even a term aromatherapy, and that's where I went, "Oh, aha, this is why chemistry's in my life and why I formulate." And I'm one of those crazy people that was working with terpenes when I was 21, 22 years old and had an understanding of that level of ingredient.
And it kind of, you know, led me through my path. I actually worked for 13 years with some of the major brands that are found in the natural products world around the world. You know, I have 5,000 different formulas in markets still at this point, and brands like Avalon and Alba and Beauty Without Cruelty, and a lot of these brands were brands that were really doing things first. You know, Beauty Without Cruelty was the first to really bring to mind that, you know, products were actually tested on animals and that you look at that today, and today, that's an expectation from consumers that their products are not tested on animals, and even so far as animal ingredients aren't used in their skin care products. You know, those are just some of the key brands that kind of led me along the way.
We were the first with Avalon to actually use an organic base instead of water. Most products are made with water and, as you know, water, I mean, has great, you know, great value when you drink it, but it doesn't have a whole lot of benefit to the skin. So, we started actually working with bases that were organic aloe juice or organic lavender hydrosol. And again, that was like a first, and we worked with ingredients that were very prominent and well known in the natural world for supplements or food like CoQ10 and vitamin C. And it just...it gave me this kind of entrepreneurial spirit because my early years, those first 13 years, I really was working on 8 brands at once. And that constant, you know, that excitement like launched something, moved to the next. And, you know, that was my early history. I'll kind of stop. I'm blabbering away, telling you my whole life.
Matthew: No, no. That's great. Well, give us an idea just how big the beauty and skin care industry is?
Melissa: Oh, it's crazy. I mean, it's one of the largest, you know, growing percentage-wise annually. It's almost 2% in gross. But, you know, at this point, you know, it's a $654 billion industry globally. And I mean, you think of that and you look at some of the numbers even around cannabis and that market and the global market and how we've got this overlay of beauty and cannabis, and I mean, it's just unbelievable to think of, you know, just even capturing a portion of that market, quite large numbers to be able to tap into.
Matthew: Wow. That is enormous. Okay. So, what are the current perceptions in the beauty and skin care market around cannabis and hemp right now?
Melissa: You know, I think it is a trend that everyone's very excited about and I think there's a lot of willingness to try and experiment. I think that that's carrying over. I think that there's a lot of education that's needed. Most of the products that we see in market have really jumped on the CBD bandwagon. And I don't think people have a lot of understanding of the different ingredients that come from the cannabis plant, and CBD being just one entity, you know, one cannabinoid, and how many others there are, and even how many others ingredients there are available from other parts of the plant. So, I think a lot of education and knowledge is needed, but I see that consumers are getting more knowledgeable. There's a lot of brands educating. There's a lot of information out there, and it's just getting the consumer up to speed on what's available and why even use it? Why is it good for their skin? Why do I want this ingredient?
Matthew: Well, it sounds like you have a deep background. What did you bring over from Juice Beauty over now to High Beauty?
Melissa: You know, Juice Beauty was, you know, part of my history, when I left that the first round of brands, I really was like Juice Beauty was my next brand. I was partnered and actually the founding formulator. I was active at Juice Beauty at a very interesting time. It's when natural ingredients were becoming very prominent, like 2004. You know, Juice Beauty was one of the first brands that actually went on the natural set in Sephora. And this was, you know, back when Sephora only had 180 stores here in the U.S. And it was before its time. I mean, you know, I like to think a lot of things that I've been involved in are, you know, 18 months early. So, you know, working with Juice Beauty, Juice Beauty, I actually formulated using organic fruit juice as a base. I actually, I hold 12 patents on that chemistry.
And I think, you know, the key thing that came from Juice Beauty that's really a part of my DNA as a formulator is how can we do things naturally and organic and have them work and have...you know, be good for the customer. You know, the customer wants to use it again. You know, I think at that time Juice Beauty, when we launched it, really, people didn't have any idea if natural was gonna work for them. They were used to using, you know, cosmeceuticals and nutraceuticals and ingredients that were much more active. They didn't know how to read the back of a package and understand an ingredient listing and make their choices based on what the product had in it. I think that, you know, that's something that I've had as a part of me formulating forever, but really it's the basis of everything I do with High Beauty. Anytime I can use natural or an organic-sourced ingredient, I am, you know, beyond that, even our packaging and the sustainability that we do, our products are made with 100% solar power. You know, our forest stewardship partners, where we're not, you know, harming, we use no animal ingredients, of course. There's just so many things that really make up that, I think, I carried over from my years of work there.
Matthew: And what was the impetus to leave Juice Beauty and the opportunity you saw in High Beauty? Was there something that just made you feel like the time was ripe and ready to start then?
Melissa: You know, I was active till 2011 and actually sold my shares in that team and was no longer a shareholder in Juice Beauty, but I left really because I had an idea and I wanted to also kind of lead and be in charge of my own creation. And the brand that I actually launched upon leaving Juice Beauty didn't have a cannabis piece to it. It was Blossom Organics, which is an organic-based personal lubricant that's 510(k) filed. So, it's a medical device that actually can stand next to K-Y on shelf, but it's giving you a pH balanced natural alternative for women to use. And that product's still in market. So, that was really my next idea. There was a major white space needed there for a healthy alternative.
And I really felt that that was something that was needed in market. Beyond that, you know, I've always worked with cannabis sativa seed oil. I've always had it as an ingredient in my kitchen, even. You know, you look at hemp oil and hemp protein and hemp milk, I mean it's amazing as far as nutrient value. And I always had that in the back of my mind is, you know, these ingredients in my skin care to some extent, but never really a focus ingredient or an active ingredient where it's a go-to ingredient like, you know, women understand, customers understand vitamin C, they look for products with vitamin C or look for products with hyaluronic acid. They look for these key ingredients. And I really felt it was the time as the trend was coming into the forefront and people were a little more accepting of the ingredients that could become a go-to ingredient for healthy skin care.
Matthew: And why do you think hemp is an important ingredient for your product? I mean, what does it do that really makes it stand out compared to other active ingredients?
Melissa: You know, hemp is...I look at cannabis sativa, I'm working, as I said, with seeds. And the seed is, I mean, jampacked with nutrients. So, when you start thinking of the antioxidants, the vitamins, the minerals, the essential fatty acids alone, you know, I mean it's got your daily multi-vitamin, vitamin A through E, you know, beta carotene. It really is an ingredient when you look at cannabis sativa seed oil, that when you put it on the skin, its molecular size, it actually protects your lipid barrier of your skin cells. So, if you imagine, you know, the basal layer, which is the layer that actually our skin cells are born and they pop off, and then they're in this low level, they migrate to the surface of our skin, and literally dehydrate and fall off our face. So, when you're young, you know, you're 28 years old, 30 years old, you get a new face pretty much every month. As you age, you know, that process takes a little longer.
And, cannabis sativa seed oil is actually an ingredient that helps protect that with the barrier from that cell dehydrating. And the longer that cell is, you know, it's on your face and you can keep it happy, the better it looks. You know, it gives you a beautiful face forward. So, when I look at...it's more than just cannabis sativa seed oil, though. So, you know, I'm not just filling a bottle with hemp oil and it would be really heavy on your face. It's got a large molecular size. It's, literally, I balance it out with like a whole mix of other plant oils, everything from sunflower to argon, to coconut, to red grape. I'm mixing and balancing it so that there's different sizes of oil, so you get really, really good absorption, and it's a product that feels good and wears well.
You know, I get as much possible of my cannabis sativa seed oil in each product. Obviously, my oil is the most, our High Expectations Cannabis Facial Oil has 32% seed oil in it. And then my moisturizer only has 20% in it, so that it's a little lighter wearing. It emulsifies and it really allows me to put other ingredients, like vitamin C and CoQ10 and other key ingredients, hyaluronic acid, things that are needed for healthy skin. But when you look at like my cleanser, hemp seed oil isn't the most important ingredient. It's an aloe-based formula. So, I'm working...there's a whole mix of bioflavonoids that I work with that are in there. You know, it's a different chemistry. So, each one of my products has a different amount of the cannabis sativa oil based on what I'm trying to achieve as a benefit or end result.
Matthew: Okay. And, you know, with your chemistry background, how do you leverage that day-to-day when you're going about doing your work? It sounds like it's really helpful.
Melissa: You know, it's a part of our brand DNA of all the brands that I've been a part of just because I am the one making what goes into the bottle. And I think there's a different conversation that's had. I mean, there's a reason for every ingredient that I put in. And a lot of times, you know, brands, beauty brands are just, you know, they're made, it's not the founder that's actually making the product, they hire people in to do that. And you know, my vision, it starts with every ingredient all the way to how the bottle looks, the carton looks, to the shelf display looks, to how...you know, what we wear when we meet stores, to our name tags and crazy things like that. But it starts at that most individual little ingredient that's in the bottle. I end all my formulas, when you read my ingredient decks on the back of the box, every formula ends with lemon balm, which is melissa officinalis. So, that's my kind of signature on all of the different formulas that I do.
Matthew: Okay. What do you think the other beauty companies in the space are getting wrong about hemp and cannabis, if anything?
Melissa: You know, I wouldn't...I think that there's room for everyone, so I'll kind of start with that. And I think that what's really happened is we're seeing such a trend towards CBD that we're forgetting about all of the other key ingredients that the plant has to offer. Again, just being one cannabinoid versus, you know, the hundreds available. Beyond that, you know, acknowledging all parts of the plant, the seed, you know, you look at the seed oil, you look at the seed milk, you look at the seed proteins, they're amazing ingredients for skin care. So, I think there's been a mad dash for everybody to, you know, market a brand with CBD. And I think that, you know, I'm kind of over here, you know, jokingly like the Trojan Horse over on the other side, coming into shelf space with something that I feel is really lasting. Working with the plant that's not, you know, just a trend ingredient, but that we're really focused on the end result and we're a serious skin care, a lasting skin care brand. I mean, I'm literally, you know...it's a brand that I hope to see on shelf 20 years from now.
Matthew: Now, let's go over some of the products you have. Because you've talked about a few High Expectations, but you have some more, just give us a quick run through this. Summarize each one, if you would.
Melissa: You know, we launched in market with our two, I call it our a.m. and our p.m., and High Expectations is our Cannabis Facial Oil. And it's really unbelievable, I mean, it's all these beautiful oils, 32% cannabis sativa seed oil and vitamin E, and it absorbs... I get emails all the time where people are like, "This is the best yet, you know, formula-wise," and, you know, it really helps your skin be replenished and helps really, I would say, repair it overnight. Because, again, when you wash your face at night, that's one of your most important steps. You would end with the Cannabis Facial Oil because your acid mantle or your barrier, your protective barrier on your skin is actually rebuilding itself overnight. And this is critical. This gives you all those vitamins and nutrients I spoke of and fatty acids. You know, that's more of a night product.
You're gonna find that people can also use it morning. Some skin needs a little more of a boost, especially in the dry winter months. High Five is, you know, the other product we launched with, and our High Five is our facial moisturizer. And, like I had said, it's 20% cannabis sativa seed oil. And, I named it High Five because it's like give yourself a high five because you're giving your skin everything it needs. It literally gives you all the benefits, you know, it's going to help calm inflammation. It's going to balance your skin, it's adaptogenic, so it's going to help balance your skin. If your skin oily, it's going to give you just what you need. If it's dry, it's going to give you a little more. It's going to protect your skin with antioxidants. And, of course, it hydrates and replenishes. You know, it's your daily multi-vitamin. That's what I would say.
Matthew: Okay. Yeah.
Melissa: And then, we actually don't have a big line-up. You know, I'm a person that it's more the essential, you know, that's your a.m. and p.m., you know, moisture. And we have a cleanser, which is a foam, and it's really rich in the bioflavonoids. It's gonna remove makeup and it, you know, hydrates. You don't feel dry after you use it. Excellent if you're shaving, works for a great shave foam. And then we have our eye gel, which has been kind of amazing. We really have quite the following and buzz about it because most eye products are creams, and this is a gel. So, it's really...it's instant hydration, it's cooling, it helps, you know, de-puff. It's going to help you with those, you know, puffy under eye bags. And again, it's really rich in the seed oil and bioflavonoids. And then the last step is really those are your daily steps.
And then, on a weekly basis, as I spoke of all those cells falling off your face, it's really important to exfoliate. So, we have our peeling mask, and our peeling mask is a mask that has all of the different exfoliants. So, it has enzyme, it's got fruit acids, and it's got physical, like, little actual bamboo. So, you're going to get a really good exfoliation so that you have a nice smooth surface and it purifies the skin. And it's just your kind of your weekly upkeep. So, that's really the line-up. It's not...you know, I call them funny names, like High Priority is my cleanser because it is your highest priority next to sunscreen to wash your face every night. And our eye gel is, you know, High Eye-Q, and then High Maintenance is our peel because it really is your...it maintains...it's that weekly maintenance that you need.
Matthew: So, you know, people might still visualize hemp oil being kind of this thick oil. And you said, you balance it out with other oils to make it a little gentler because it's kind of a heavier or a larger molecule. So, is it truly then a misconception that hemp will make your skin oily or is that total...that's not true at all?
Melissa: You know, it's funny because the first thing you do is if you talk to someone that has acne or oily skin, they're going to say, "Oh no, I'm never gonna put oil on my face." And it is really, lipid loves lipid and cuts lipid. So, if you imagine you have oily skin and you try to use water to clean or to pull that oil off, the water and oil don't mix. So, if you actually wash your face with something or use something with oil in it, that's the best way to actually balance your oil production. A lot of times people will use really drying ingredients thinking that they're gonna cut the oil production in their skin, and actually all they're doing is exasperating it, causing more sebum production. So, lipids love lipid, oil loves oil and oil cuts oil.
So, it's the best way for you to actually...to balance your skin and have that adapted. It's going to adapt to what your skin's needs are. Again, hemp oil, kind of a sativa seed oil, is a large molecule. So, if you were just to use, you know, that in formula, fill a bottle with it, it's not gonna be the best way because it's got to be balanced out with other oil sizes so that they become the synergy that actually can go to different levels within the skin and balance your complexion.
Matthew: Do you think skin is a window into our health, and what does that window tell us? I mean, I think about...I've seen people become very stressed out and get hives in a matter of hours and I've seen just other ways that our skin's kind of a barometer to things going on in our health. But sometimes I feel like in our society we think of like acne or psoriasis or eczema or any kind of skin condition as kind of an effect. But, really, it's kind of a symptom of something else maybe going on elsewhere. What are your thoughts as kind of...is skin a window into our health?
Melissa: Well, definitely skin is our largest organ. It's also our first line of defense. So, it's going to be first to literally show those imbalances that happen on an internal level. You know, I am a big believer, I've actually worked with so many different people on, you know, how to get, you know, even clear skin, and it never is just skin care products. It has to do with what's happening on the inside. A lot of, you know, when I was an aesthetician, actually, a lot of the client I had were, you know, going through cancer treatment or were people with acne or key issues. And I had a very unique clientele and allowed me to like work with my formulas, but my intake form was always on their inner well-being. Like, what supplements do you take? What's your diet? How is your bowels, your digestion?
And those were the questions that led me to a much better way from nutrition on the inside and then skin care on the outside. So that, again, you reach that basal layer from both sides. You know, there's actually zones on the face where you can look at different areas or on the body where people will have acne and it leads to different, you know, parts of their body or different organs. You know, you look at the chin, and the breakouts around the chin and the jawline, and they're most often hormonal. You look at the cheeks and the nose, it's most likely food allergies or food intake or overabundance, and in certain diet, you know, different things. You know, a lot of times you look at the rest of the body too, it's imbalanced. You look at fatty acids, is someone taking fatty acids on a daily basis? Are they taking probiotics to balance digestion? Are they extremely stressed? Are there hormones? Do they need some B vitamins to balance out their hormones? There's so much more to what maintains that healthy, as you say, window. You know, really that look and feel, I think, your skin is first.
I mean, think of how many people have dark circles and a lot of it can be hereditary, but a lot of it is also intake stress. You know, there's so many different ways that you can handle things on an internal basis first. Water, exercise. So, no, I agree with you totally. The skin is a window to our inner well-being.
Matthew: Where are High Beauty products available right now?
Melissa: Oh, I know, I think my last conversation with you was we were just starting and now it's, you know, crazy. We are in the U.S., we're also all over Canada, and we're actually in Europe. So, currently we're in the U.S., we're selling at Macy's, Urban Outfitters, Anthropologie's, sephora.com and, of course, on our own website. Canada, we hit Canada by storm. I'm so excited. And the Bay, we're actually at the Hudson's Bay, we're at Indigo, we're one of the first brands to actually be chosen to go on the shopping choice. And we just got our approval for Shoppers Drug Mart. So, Canada, beginning of the year you're gonna see us quite a bit. In Europe, we've partnered with Douglas, and we've launched in Germany, and we have a rollout plan for five additional countries throughout Europe, including the UK and France and some others. So, a lot happening in the first part of the year. But for now, there's a lot of places that people can actually find High on shelf.
Matthew: Okay. And where are you in the capital-raising process?
Melissa: Oh, I laugh. You know, the capital, it seems like that's a never-ending process than we... You know, we brought in really our seed round in April of this year. It really allowed us to do the things that I needed to do beyond, you know, self-funding, and that was to build a team. We have a solid team of 10 people and really get all of the products I just spoke of. We have all of the products, domestic and international available, and some kits. And it really allowed us to get all of this distribution started in a very thoughtful way with the right merchandising and everything that we're needing. We just are going into our next raise. And it literally...I'm starting this process, it's just started in the last weeks, and we have a lot of our current investors. There's not that many of them, good friends and family around us, and we're going into our next raise in the spring to close in May.
Matthew: Okay. And for accredited investors that are listening, is there any way that you want them to reach out to you or are you full right now or...?
Melissa: No, I am always open to discussions. And the easiest way to reach me is just directly through email, email@example.com. And I'm easy to get, and if you have any skin care question, I'll help you with supplements, too.
Matthew: Well, I do have some personal development questions for you now, Melissa. Is there a book that's had a big impact on your life or your way of thinking that you'd like to share?
Melissa: Yeah, it's hard. I am an avid reader, and it's funny I say that because I haven't had time to read a book in the last year just because of how busy I've been. I spend most of my time writing brochures and formulas. My mind has been vamped but, you know, I think back, there's two books that probably one was really pointed in a different way and you probably can't even find the book at this point, and it's the "Mutant Message Down Under." And it was a book about a woman that went into the Australian Outback and she had a transformation and was really became one with the aborigines, you know, the people. And she actually came out and wrote a book about it, and it was very, very much something you should not do because their culture is that things are passed on verbally in stories and it's not something to be shared with the outside world. And this was really the last hold out of, you know, truly untouched culture. And that book was something that made me look at like ethics and just how you go about, you know, are you in ethic or out ethic in everything that you do.
And to have an experience like that and then to have it become something that is not in ethic, ethics is something that I kind of look at everything I do on a day in and day out basis, and just make a check and keep in line that you're in ethic from business to personal, across all aspects of your life. And, you know, the other big book I think of is Richard Bach in "The Bridge Across Forever." And I don't know if you've ever read that book, but he, literally, each choice he makes leads to a different parallel universe in his plane, he's the pilot, flies in and out of these different...from choice to choice leads to different lines and parallel thoughts. And it's another thing that makes me think daily of being mindful of all your choices and where they're gonna lead. And you know, you look back on where would a different choice have taken you, but you've chosen a path, and that choices lead to the universe being abundant. So, I think those are my two big ones.
Matthew: Great suggestions. I hadn't heard of those. Those are great.
Melissa: I don't think you can get "Mutant Message Down Under," in all honesty, I think that it was really banned. I think people really boycotted it. So, it's one of those things that, you know, the story itself is the story... Anyway, it was an interesting book but I doubt you can find it. If you do...
Matthew: I've got to read it now because it's forbidden. If it's forbidden, I must see it. What do you think the most interesting thing going on in your field besides High Beauty is right now?
Melissa: You know, I love seeing like the clinical evidence and different...just the clinical side of what cannabis can do and all the ingredients that, you know, are available, kind of catching up with the market. You know, I think that there's a lot of ingredients that flooded the market and now we're starting to see some amazing, you know, results as to what some of these ingredients and other ingredients from the plant can do. You know, also just that there's more checks and balances so that consumer safety is top of mind. You know, I think that we're seeing that actually come into fruition. It's not as much the wild, wild West in a good way, though, where it's, you know, we're not limited, but we're also paying attention to what's good for our customers.
Matthew: What is one thought you have that most people would disagree with you?
Melissa: Oh, you know, I think that people often... I'll be like, "It's going to be. If you visualize it, it's going to be." And I think that that's kind of how I've been my whole life is creative visualizer and it's like, "It's going to happen." I believe that, you know, the universe is abundant and we create our world. And a lot of times I think people are just like, "You've got to be crazy." Like, "Really, that's going to happen?" And I'm like, "No, no, it's going to happen." So, I think that's where I, most often, get people thinking I'm a little nutty.
Matthew: Now, I remember the Wayne Dyer quote, "You get what you think about, whether you want it or not." So, be careful what you think about because it's probably gonna manifest.
Melissa: No, it's true. And I wish that, you know, I could have known some of that when I was younger. As you get older, you're a little more clear on what you're wanting.
Matthew: Now, you know, I'm circling back here to your High Five...when you're talking about your product name, High Five, I was like, "Gosh, you know, I used to give a lot more high fives." If I were to look at my...you know, literally how many high fives I give throughout the ages, it probably peaked in my late teenage years to early 20s. Why do we stop giving so many high fives?
Melissa: I don't know. I think that you get a little caught up in day in, day out, and we forget to really be grateful for everything around us. I think a high five is really like, wow, like, you know, you're acknowledging something well done or something that's just amazing and great. And I think that we do need to give a lot more high fives and acknowledge the things in our lives day in, day out that are so wonderful. And maybe next time you and I meet each other, we should give each other a high five.
Matthew: Give each other a high five. Yeah, I might do a high 10.
Melissa: Yeah. Yeah, high 10. That might be actually...I'm going to use that one. That might be a product.
Matthew: Great. Well, Melissa, thanks so much for coming on the show. Really appreciate you educating us. I mean, this market is absolutely enormous and so cool to see that you're making inroads here. So, we'll watch this closely. For listeners that want to connect with you, you gave your email already, and can you also give out your website for people to find it?
Melissa: Yeah. Our website is highbeauty.com, and there's a lot of information on there, even on the science and skin and our blogs. So, definitely check it out.
Matthew: Well, great. Thanks, Melissa, for coming on the show. We really appreciate it.
Melissa: All right. Well, thank you for having me, and I will talk to you soon.
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